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CrazyGamer2017 said:

A sad day in the history of our European Union. Usually I'm not too much on countries and a feeling of belonging here or there but tonight I wish to make clear that in light of European history, 2000 years of endless wars, invasions, massacres, hatred, nationalism, division, in light of the motto of my country (United we are stronger) and in light of the lasting peace that the EU has brought to the old continent, I wish to make clear that tonight I am PROUD of being European. This is the only flag I care for and that has a little bit of meaning for me:

Despite the fact that Europeans have tried to conquer and subjugate us for the past thousand years, we actually like Europe a lot.

Most/many Brexiteers think the EU is just the wrong direction for Europe to take.

Ironically, some of the most ardent Brexiteers want to see a strong Europe and would to love to see Germany and France's land and air forces combine their budget with our navy. Europe (or the EU) could rival the US militarily if it focused on defence instead of agriculture. We could challenge them economically if we spent cash on R+D. We value security and stability more than most Europeans and understand why the US has to be the 'bad guy' sometimes. Europe would have seen another mass genocide if Tony Blair hadn't successfully convinced Bill Clinton into intervening in Kosovo.

We don't hate immigrants (especially European ones) but we won't allow our smaller towns and villages to be subsumed with a foreign culture either.

Many of us voted Brexit just on economic grounds. A good chunk of us were ambivalent but saw that the working classes were being hammered by cheap foreign labour, economically and culturally and wanted to support them.

It would probably surprise most Euros just how much the UK 'hates' each other. Not just Scotland v England or North v South but even Liverpool v Manchester or Lancashire v Yorkshire. We're a nation built on hating each other.

The kumbaya, 'let's all be friends' shit doesn't work when some people just love to compete.

Had the EU offered a serious challenge to compete economically or militarily with the US or China we were and would have remained a full partner.

Edit - EU hasn't done shit for peace. It was NATO and US hegemony that kept the peace. European countries couldn't fight each other even if they wanted to given the amount of US bases they have.

Last edited by Pyro as Bill - on 31 January 2020

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Pyro as Bill said:

Had the EU offered a serious challenge to compete economically or militarily with the US or China we were and would have remained a full partner.

Well on the military side of things, we Europeans are not as obsessed by "world domination" as the US is, we don't feel the need to invade, bomb, overthrow governments (as the US had done in central and south American countries in the past 50 years and elsewhere) Perhaps in light of growing threats from countries such as China, Russia, Iran or North Korea, perhaps we should be more militarized, I don't know.

As for the economic side of things, The Euro is pretty much on par with the US Dollar in terms of importance. The US dollar's only advantage is it being the world's reserve currency, but that's all. But here is the fun part: Had the Pound joined forces with the Euro by merging with it, we (the UK and EU) together would easily have weighed more than the Dollar. I wouldn't have given the dollar more than 10 years of domination before a united "Euro/Pound" would have kicked it out of the top spot. And that's not even including more countries (Like Poland, Scandinavian countries, other central European countries etc) that still can join the Euro and make it weigh even more.

The true winner of Brexit is the US Dollar and American domination. If anyone should party tonight it's Trump that should, also Putin and the Chinese dictator, can't remember his name.

A DIVIDED Europe is good for them all.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Had the EU offered a serious challenge to compete economically or militarily with the US or China we were and would have remained a full partner.

Well on the military side of things, we Europeans are not as obsessed by "world domination" as the US is, we don't feel the need to invade, bomb, overthrow governments (as the US had done in central and south American countries in the past 50 years and elsewhere) Perhaps in light of growing threats from countries such as China, Russia, Iran or North Korea, perhaps we should be more militarized, I don't know.

As for the economic side of things, The Euro is pretty much on par with the US Dollar in terms of importance. The US dollar's only advantage is it being the world's reserve currency, but that's all. But here is the fun part: Had the Pound joined forces with the Euro by merging with it, we (the UK and EU) together would easily have weighed more than the Dollar. I wouldn't have given the dollar more than 10 years of domination before a united "Euro/Pound" would have kicked it out of the top spot. And that's not even including more countries (Like Poland, Scandinavian countries, other central European countries etc) that still can join the Euro and make it weigh even more.

The true winner of Brexit is the US Dollar and American domination. If anyone should party tonight it's Trump that should, also Putin and the Chinese dictator, can't remember his name. A weakened Europe is good for them all.

It's not or never has been about world domination.

It's about keeping the straits of hormuz or the suez canal open.

Neither the Euro or dollar have the power of the petro-dollar.

When the US leaves the middle east, Europe will have to deal with a resurgent Turkey and Russia. It'd be great if we could just sit back but that isn't how the real world works. The US leaving doesn't mean peace. It means Turkey and Russia stepping in instead and they're a lot less concerned about collateral damage compared to countries with a free press.

Putin? Italy or Canada can handle Russia if they matched them in defence spending. The UK could cripple their navy in an afternoon. China should be the world's concern just because of how long term they're willing to plan/wait.



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GB is out.
Next is Scotland leaving UK.



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Peh said:

GB is out.
Next is Scotland leaving UK.

or Northern Ireland

or Gibraltar

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Pyro as Bill said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Possibly for a while, as the EU budget is always votes for a period of several years, so these might still be included right now. But once those run out, I doubt that the EU will want to finance the UK any further, so the Brits will need to finance it themselves.

We're a net contributor.

Anything we 'got' from the EU we are now free to double spending on or spend it where we think it should be spent.

Still you need to remember that this money, doesnt just go into a pit.
Its used for things that benefit all the countries of the EU.  Alot of that, was focused in area's that where in the UK.

So even if you spent ~8 bn / year after the rebate the UK had, the actually "loss" is alot less than that.
Also to put things into perspective, this is probably like 0.2% of the UK's GDP.

Lets not blow it out of perprotions, the amount of money spent on the EU is tiny and meaningless for the UK.
And the benefits it got, probably heavily outweighted the costs it paid.

"we can spend this money better ourselves" mentality is stupid imo, I honestly doubt if thats even true.



JRPGfan said:
Pyro as Bill said:

We're a net contributor.

Anything we 'got' from the EU we are now free to double spending on or spend it where we think it should be spent.

Still you need to remember that this money, doesnt just go into a pit.
Its used for things that benefit all the countries of the EU.  Alot of that, was focused in area's that where in the UK.

So even if you spent ~8 bn / year after the rebate the UK had, the actually "loss" is alot less than that.
Also to put things into perspective, this is probably like 0.2% of the UK's GDP.

Lets not blow it out of perprotions, the amount of money spent on the EU is tiny and meaningless for the UK.
And the benefits it got, probably heavily outweighted the costs it paid.

"we can spend this money better ourselves" mentality is stupid imo, I honestly doubt if thats even true.

UK economy used to benefit a NET £70bn per year from EU membership... anything else is pure speculation based on hopes that what comes next will be better...

well, at least now they'll have to find someone else to blame for their shit, my prediction is that the country's problems will be more real, I really hope I'm wrong

the European UK is sacrificed for a global one... good luck with that, Londonistan in the making will get a speed boost

Trump wanted NHS, now it's chlorinated chicken, coming soon onto your tables, to replace cheap high standard fruits from EU countries whose prices will now rise for the sake of dropping the high EU standards... that's how fcked up things are in reality, and that goes without even mentioning Scotland... :/



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Peh said:

GB is out.
Next is Scotland leaving UK.

Not likely, Boris Johnson clearly said there would be no referendum for Scotland, and you have to love the irony when you hear the UK saying they leave cause they want freedom and democracy against us horrible Europeans and our horrible and obvious dictatorship. As for Scotland they are free to NOT leave the UK...

At this point, the only way to get a referendum will be pressuring London into allowing it. I hope that our Scottish friends will be one day allowed to free themselves from the UK, I hope they will be given the choice the UK always had when joining the EU. But at least this shows where freedom and oppression really are.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
Peh said:

GB is out.
Next is Scotland leaving UK.

Not likely, Boris Johnson clearly said there would be no referendum for Scotland, and you have to love the irony when you hear the UK saying they leave cause they want freedom and democracy against us horrible Europeans and our horrible and obvious dictatorship. As for Scotland they are free to NOT leave the UK...

At this point, the only way to get a referendum will be pressuring London into allowing it. I hope that our Scottish friends will be one day allowed to free themselves from the UK, I hope they will be given the choice the UK always had when joining the EU. But at least this shows where freedom and oppression really are.

From what I can gather: 

Does Scotland have the power to hold a referendum?
There has long been legal debate over whether the Scottish Parliament, rather than MPs at Westminster, could pass the laws needed for a new vote on independence to be held - but the matter has never been tested in court.
Ms Sturgeon has rejected holding an "illegal or wildcat referendum", like that held in Catalonia in 2017, but she hasn't ruled out a legal challenge to see if Holyrood could actually legislate for a poll.
But this is not her focus for now. She warns that the outcome of such a court case would be deeply uncertain - "it could move us forward, but equally it could set us back".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50813510

They can try and see where it goes.

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I hope Brexit fails its a disaster to shove Europe out of the way. Nobody is ruling over Britain all laws are made in Britain debated and voted on, it's just rules for trade etc that's the difference and certain other things that Britain had signed on board for.

Too bad all those over 50's just want some pride back so they voted Brexit. Anyone with any racist or discriminitave tendencies all voted Brexit its a diagrace



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