He has the right to not like what was said about him here, but he had no right to insult every member of this forum for something EVERY GAMING FORUM can be accused of. It was totally inapropiate, and if i dare to say, in a very coward manner, using a way more popular forum to put people against this forum. He probably doesn't like to fight their numbers against VGC because it goes against his interests for his twiter account popularity, and he knows his numbers are more close to the official numbers, so he is more reliable to get real numbers (most people here agree on that), but VGC never lied about its numbers. VGC numbers are not official, they're just the work of using current info to bring a closer aproximation of what the actual numbers of gaming sales are. VGC makes continually adjustments to get close to official data every time now and then. No one here says that you have to trust VGC numbers against any other media or info available for gaming selling numbers.

And VGC forums, and its members have way more and better discussions about sales that what i see in other sites. VGC doesn't deserve such behavior from NPD leakers or other gaming forum members. Mat Piscatella and Benji are very valuable posters in Resetera, but they not only give numbers, they give opinions too. So, the moment they start doing that, people will react always. Compared to ZhugeEX, he express his opinions in forums at a minimum giving mostly only facts and numbers, so almost nobody discuss anything he says. That's how gaming forum works. They're going to be always people that are against what you said or think, and if they're not...., well, it doesn't talk very well about diverstiy of opinions and free speech then.

This year the switch is going to do around 16M at best. Which is great but a far cry from then going on to do 25M in sales the next year. Its currently at 11M s its even generous saying it will sell 5M consoles in the last 5 weeks of 2018. I dont know how some in the ninty camp see these things or if they are mixing up shipped and sold numbers.. but whatever it is its just unrealistic.  

Can they do 18M or even 19M in sales next year? Absolutely and more in line with what I would expect... but 20M and up is very unrealistic to me. I am very very very curious to know what people feel the sales drivers are going to be to make it go from a 15M -16M year to a 20M - 25M year though. 

He is right thought, US was always strongest market for Nintendo same like Europe was for Sony, Switch has good chances beating PS4 in US at end, for now they are selling very similar in US for same time period.

Price cut/revision and major games all throughout the year instead of just the last two months. That's 20 million right there. Japan will blow up next year imo if Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing are in the first half of the year. A true Pokemon game will also help in Europe 

I am sorry I just don't see it.

I think the problem here is how those in the nintendo camp see the NS and how those like me outside it see it.

You guys see it like a DS and wii successor. So you guys are expecting sales of 100M to 150M. Projections made of an age thats long past and simply not the world we live in anymore. I could talk a lot abut this but I digress.

I see it more like a 3DS and WiiU successor. And expect sales of like 15M to 75M. A projection based on the market we are in today and wat nintendo has brought to the table.

Pokemon does not have the same effect today in a world where mothers are more likely to buy their kids $50 android tablets as it did in the time of the DS. And the 3DS was the first indication of this fact. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say.

Pls note..... I am not saying pokemon is not a system seller even now and that nintendo won't do well in japan. 

Intrinsic said:

Very well said. Agree completely.

Of all the number posters my all time favorite and still my favorite has been ZhugeEX. Thats how you do it. He says what he has to say and keeps it to the facts of it. No one has ever argued with him. These other numbers leakers are really just entitled brats if you ask me. And thrive in communities like Gaf and Era because those communities have a hive mentality. Its almost like talking to a forum of one. And I don't think thats healthy. And mind you.... I am a member of Era. Never posted n there though. 

Benji was never on my radar until now and for the wrong reasons..... if you don't want what you say to be challenged? Then keep your mouth shut.

And this is why I like VGC...... its a sesspool of very opinionated people and while we get extremes of it atimes thats pretty normal. The mods keep things civil but all opinions no matter how ridiculous are allowed to be expressed here. Anyone can be called out. No exceptions. 

Very well said. Agree completely.

Of all the number posters my all time favorite and still my favorite has been ZhugeEX. Thats how you do it. He says what he has to say and keeps it to the facts of it. No one has ever argued with him. These other numbers leakers are really just entitled brats if you ask me. And thrive in communities like Gaf and Era because those communities have a hive mentality. Its almost like talking to a forum of one. And I don't think thats healthy. And mind you.... I am a member of Era. Never posted n there though. 

Benji was never on my radar until now and for the wrong reasons..... if you don't want what you say to be challenged? Then keep your mouth shut.

And this is why I like VGC...... its a sesspool of very opinionated people and while we get extremes of it atimes thats pretty normal. The mods keep things civil but all opinions no matter how ridiculous are allowed to be expressed here. Anyone can be called out. No exceptions. 

This year the switch is going to do around 16M at best. Which is great but a far cry from then going on to do 25M in sales the next year. Its currently at 11M s its even generous saying it will sell 5M consoles in the last 5 weeks of 2018. I dont know how some in the ninty camp see these things or if they are mixing up shipped and sold numbers.. but whatever it is its just unrealistic.  

Can they do 18M or even 19M in sales next year? Absolutely and more in line with what I would expect... but 20M and up is very unrealistic to me. I am very very very curious to know what people feel the sales drivers are going to be to make it go from a 15M -16M year to a 20M - 25M year though. 

More charts!

Well, the XBO managed to barely hold on to its vanishing surplus over the 360. Looks like I my prediction for when it would fall behind was a bit off, since the XBO wasn't down YoY as much as I thought it would be. But unless it pulls off a miracle next month it will fall behind the 360. And when it does fall behind, that deficit will not go away.

But overall, current-gen sales for conventional consoles (PS+Xbox) are still strong, though not quite as strong as last year. The XBO was down 2.6% while the PS4 was down 6.4%. This is with deals comparable to last year. Now, that's not a big drop by any means, but it could be an early warning sign that both systems are about to enter the terminal decline phase of their lives. They are now at just shy of 51 million units sold LTD combined, and by the end of next month will likely be at over 53M. By comparison, at the end of 2011 the 360 and PS3 were at 52.65M. 2012 was when both of those systems began to irreversibly decline.

Now, I still hear the refrains about price cuts, but I still maintain that if the PS4 and/or XBO get a price cut, that it will be a modest one that doesn't affect sales much. Systems rarely get price cuts this late in life, and they never get deep cuts, so $50 is the most we should expect for the base models. And in those rare occasions when a system got a price cut this far into its life, it had negligible impact on sales. Sales of the slimline models might decline more slowly than they would in the absence of a price cut, and a $350 Pro and $400-450 X1X could spur a modest increase in upgrades, but Sony & MS are running out of customers to sell their systems to. There is a maximum addressable market for "conventional" consoles, with only so many households willing, able, and planning to buy one of a given generation at some point during that generation. The PS3 & 360 ended up at 70 million units sold lifetime in the U.S. between the two of them, and I doubt the PS4 & XBO will be able to expand the market substantially more than that. The decline is coming, if not next year then definitely the following year. And there were already some warning signs this year that it's already about to start. All of the PS4's YoY growth this year has been thanks to God of War, Spider-Man, and Red Dead. Take out April, September, and October and the PS4 is down YoY. Meanwhile, the boost to the XBO's sales from the X1X appeared to have exhausted itself by September, which was flat YoY, and while the X1X helped give the XBO its best Q1 ever this year, Q2 was only its second-best Q2, and Q3 was ranked fourth, ahead of only last year's underwhelming Q3. And now we have a December that's down, albeit only slightly.

Q1 2019 will be the first real test to see if the PS4 and XBO have exhausted their maximum sales potential, at least at their current regular price points. Combined PS3+360 sales were down 18% YoY in Q1 2012, and if the PS4 & XBO are down anywhere close to that, we might have gotten out answer to the "are they post-peak?" question. And it's worth pointing out that Q2 & Q3 2012 were even worse for the 360 & PS3, with combined sales dropping 33.7% and 35%, respectively, though Q4 was down by "only" 24% (possibly due to the increasing prevalence of big holiday deals). I could see permanent price cuts to the PS4 & XBO preventing drops that bad, but 2019 could be down at least 15% overall for the Q1-Q3 period.

Moving along to Nintendo's end.

The Switch's 2018 has, with only one month remaining to be counted, only 7% behind the PS4's 2015. The Switch will need to sell at least 1.87M in December to tie the PS4's 2015. Certainly a possibility if Smash can move enough units.

The Switch is also absolutely crushing the 3DS. Like, it's not even close. After 21 months on the market, the Switch has sold about 8.74M units, 36.7% more than the nearly 6.4M units the 3DS sold in its first 21 months. And the Switch has shown that its more than capable of supporting the U.S. market on its own. For Year 2 sales, the Switch has so far sold 17.7% more units than the 3DS & Wii U did in their second years. It fell short last year of beating combined 3DS+Wii U sales (thanks mainly to the 3DS having an amazing December in 2012, which was better than any month the PS4 or XBO have had), but it's made up for it this year, and with the big YoY boost for November total Year 1 + Year 2 sales for the Switch are now ahead. To beat total Year 3 sales for the 3DS & Wii U, the Switch will need to sell over 5.2M units next year. With the possibility of a price cut and/or a hardware revision and the guarantee of the debut of the first Gen VIII Pokemon game, I think it's safe to say it'll exceed that by a comfortable margin. I honestly think there's a really good chance that the Switch will sell over 30 million units lifetime in the U.S. It'll be at over half that by the end of next year.

But he`s not right. He actually couldn't be more wrong if he tried. And you will be very wrong too especially with a claim like that.

Since the PS1 nintendo has never won the US market. The only exception to this was with the PS3/Wii generation and even then it didn't win NA. The 360 did. So what claim exactly does anyone have to say NA is its strongest market? Absolutely none. Especially liken it t sonys dominance in EU? Ridiculous.

Sony has NEVER not won the EU market. From the PS1 all the way to the PS4. 

Sony has won the NA market 3 times out of 4 and when it lost it it lost it t the XB not nintendo. 

So really how or n what grounds is NA nintendos strongest market the same way EU is sonys strongest market when in 4 generations nintendo has never won in NA or EU? 

The simple truth of the matter is that Japan is nintendos best claim for a strongest market and even that is debatable because its obvious japan is home console resistant and prefer their handhelds. Case in point the wii only beating the PS3 by 2M in japan and japan only account for 12M f the Wiis 100M sales.

This year the switch is going to do around 16M at best. Which is great but a far cry from then going on to do 25M in sales the next year. Its currently at 11M s its even generous saying it will sell 5M consoles in the last 5 weeks of 2018. I dont know how some in the ninty camp see these things or if they are mixing up shipped and sold numbers.. but whatever it is its just unrealistic.  

Can they do 18M or even 19M in sales next year? Absolutely and more in line with what I would expect... but 20M and up is very unrealistic to me. I am very very very curious to know what people feel the sales drivers are going to be to make it go from a 15M -16M year to a 20M - 25M year though.