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PS2 was almost a monolopy situation. Today is much harder for a console to get similar market share dominance.



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DonFerrari said:
PS4 WW is still tracking ahead of PS2. And seems that even for USA PS4 2018 will be able to match PS2 2005 at the end.

PS4 is behind in each region, it's just ahead because of the staggered PS2 launch.



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Robbie2010 said:
RDR2 bundle for $199 tomorrow may have an impact....

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/11/25/cyber-monday-199-ps4-red-dead-2-and-controller-bundle/

Holy shit, first the Spider-Man bundle and now this?! :o 



zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:
PS4 WW is still tracking ahead of PS2. And seems that even for USA PS4 2018 will be able to match PS2 2005 at the end.

PS4 is behind in each region, it's just ahead because of the staggered PS2 launch.

They wouldn't be able to manufacture as much PS2 if they launched simultaneously, and if you want to use a counter Japan is much much smaller than before. Not to forget the competition PS4 faces is much harsher. in which year had PS2 sold almost 20M with one competitor selling 10M and the other 13M?

Sony recognizes PS4 as being faster than PS2. The staggered is used more as something to devaluate the achievement.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Here's another chart for just fifth-year sales to put things in a visual perspective, and for the hell of it I have all four PS systems included:

The Jan.-Oct. totals were:

PS1: 1955k
PS2: 3513k
PS3: 2682k
PS4: 3040k

The PS4's 473k unit deficit vs. the PS2 should become a surplus after November. As we see in the OP, the PS2 sold 535k in Nov. 2005. But if the PS4 is even just flat YoY, that deficit will become a nearly 600k surplus. However, if there are stock issues and/or no further price cuts for the PS4 in December, that could cause the gap to narrow once again in the PS2's favor. I still think the PS4's 2018 has a very solid shot of beating the PS2's 2005, but not by a massive margin. I'd put the PS4 at most at 5.75M for the year.



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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

PS4 is behind in each region, it's just ahead because of the staggered PS2 launch.

They wouldn't be able to manufacture as much PS2 if they launched simultaneously, and if you want to use a counter Japan is much much smaller than before. Not to forget the competition PS4 faces is much harsher. in which year had PS2 sold almost 20M with one competitor selling 10M and the other 13M?

Sony recognizes PS4 as being faster than PS2. The staggered is used more as something to devaluate the achievement.

That's a whole bunch of deflection, PS4 is behind in Japan, America & Europe.

Of course Sony recognizes that, it's good PR.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

They wouldn't be able to manufacture as much PS2 if they launched simultaneously, and if you want to use a counter Japan is much much smaller than before. Not to forget the competition PS4 faces is much harsher. in which year had PS2 sold almost 20M with one competitor selling 10M and the other 13M?

Sony recognizes PS4 as being faster than PS2. The staggered is used more as something to devaluate the achievement.

That's a whole bunch of deflection, PS4 is behind in Japan, America & Europe.

Of course Sony recognizes that, it's good PR.

Launch aligned comparisons are done with first launch, not region by region. And certainly only the very few expect PS4 to cross the 160M of PS2. Still that is topic for another thread.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
PS4 WW is still tracking ahead of PS2. And seems that even for USA PS4 2018 will be able to match PS2 2005 at the end.

I've never liked global comparisons for LTD sales (and even lifetime total sales to an extent) because they're misleading and never tell the whole story. Staggered launches have been the norm since forever ago, with the Switch being the first to launch in every region on the same day (though the Wii came fairly close, launching in NA, Europe, and Japan within a less than 3-week span, though smaller markets came months later). And such staggered launches have never been consistent from generation to generation, with the sequence of regions and the time gaps never being the same. Combine this with the fact that each region has distinctly different buying habits, and it's clear that it's impossible to accurately compare global launch-aligned sales in any meaningful way. That's why the only fair comparisons are the ones that focus on each region separately. And when you do that, it's clear that the PS4 is not selling faster than the PS2, at least not in the U.S. and Japan (in Europe it seems to be keeping pace with the PS2).



Shadow1980 said:
DonFerrari said:
PS4 WW is still tracking ahead of PS2. And seems that even for USA PS4 2018 will be able to match PS2 2005 at the end.

I've never liked global comparisons for LTD sales (and even lifetime total sales to an extent) because they're misleading and never tell the whole story. Staggered launches have been the norm since forever ago, with the Switch being the first to launch in every region on the same day (though the Wii came fairly close, launching in NA, Europe, and Japan within a less than 3-week span, though smaller markets came months later). And such staggered launches have never been consistent from generation to generation, with the sequence of regions and the time gaps never being the same. Combine this with the fact that each region has distinctly different buying habits, and it's clear that it's impossible to accurately compare global launch-aligned sales in any meaningful way. That's why the only fair comparisons are the ones that focus on each region separately. And when you do that, it's clear that the PS4 is not selling faster than the PS2, at least not in the U.S. and Japan (in Europe it seems to be keeping pace with the PS2).

When you compare USA+Europe launching first with 399 pricetag on PS4 and no library against PS2 launching much cheaper, with big library and accelerated production (PS4 was on it's first 2 years improving production continuously to keep up with demand) the comparison is also distorted.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Shadow1980 said:

I've never liked global comparisons for LTD sales (and even lifetime total sales to an extent) because they're misleading and never tell the whole story. Staggered launches have been the norm since forever ago, with the Switch being the first to launch in every region on the same day (though the Wii came fairly close, launching in NA, Europe, and Japan within a less than 3-week span, though smaller markets came months later). And such staggered launches have never been consistent from generation to generation, with the sequence of regions and the time gaps never being the same. Combine this with the fact that each region has distinctly different buying habits, and it's clear that it's impossible to accurately compare global launch-aligned sales in any meaningful way. That's why the only fair comparisons are the ones that focus on each region separately. And when you do that, it's clear that the PS4 is not selling faster than the PS2, at least not in the U.S. and Japan (in Europe it seems to be keeping pace with the PS2).

When you compare USA+Europe launching first with 399 pricetag on PS4 and no library against PS2 launching much cheaper, with big library and accelerated production (PS4 was on it's first 2 years improving production continuously to keep up with demand) the comparison is also distorted.

You arent taking inflation into account, PS2 launched in 2000 at $299 which is the equivalent of $405 in 2013 so essentially the same.

No library? PS4 launched with many of the industries biggest franchises, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden, FIFA, NBA, Battlefield.

You are just creating your own narrative as you go.



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