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I genuinely believed MS would have been the last of the 3 to implement this feature mainly for the lack of a "legitimate" first party studio. I mean, I could see why Sony and Ninty would want the authorization of used game sales to end because it affects their business directly but MS isn't in that boat.
That's why to me at least there's question marks all over this. Not that we don't see it coming as gamers but WHICH company to do it first is almost rhetorical.
If it's true then it really makes me wonder who's in bed with who? Are MS and other officials holding private meetings? Or if it's true, is this solely a marketing strategy for we did it first bragging rights?

 

Edit: I just thought of the incentive looking at it from a devs point of view. It would be enticing for a dev company that's tired of used game sales, to cooperate with a platform with this feature. 

Last edited by SuperRetroTurbo - on 17 November 2018

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Errorist76 said:
KBG29 said:

I have no need for a disc drive, and I am all in on supporting the option of not having a disc dive on future consoles. If I can replace my X in the livingroom and my S in the bedroom to help improve the odds that XB4 will have a disc free option then I'm all for it.

I will do the same if Sony and Nintendo offer physical media free versions of PS4 and Switch. I don't want disc drives or an extra card reader in my future platforms. Just give me industry standard storage, and let me upgrade as I need. 

I think that's shocking...you would willingly pay extra money for future consoles to have less options, even if it wouldn't benefit you one bit...? I don't know what to say to that, honestly. Especially since it would mean quite a problem for many people on this planet. 

I understand everyone who say he needs another console and all his games are digital anyway. But to say you would love to replace your existing consoles just to make a statement, that sounds downright idiotic, I'm sorry. You know I usually respect you and your opinion, but that doesn't make sense to me one bit.

I am not expecting anyone to agree with me, it is just what I would do given the option. I am always all in when I see someone or aa company offering something I like or agree with.

I'm not askng for the end of physical games, or consoles with built in Physical media ports, I just want the option to by one without, since I haven't used a disc in almost a decade.

I am all about options though. Even if the day comes where physical is super niche, I hope they still offer external physical media drives, similar to how they still offer vinyl records. I hate having my preferred option stripped away (3G PS Vita Phone), and I wouldn't wish for someone elses prefered option to disappear. The more options the better.



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SuperRetroTurbo said:

I genuinely believed MS would have been the last of the 3 to implement this feature mainly for the lack of a "legitimate" first party studio. I mean, I could see why Sony and Ninty would want the authorization of used game sales to end because it affects their business directly but MS isn't in that boat.
That's why to me at least there's question marks all over this. Not that we don't see it coming as gamers but WHICH company to do it first is almost rhetorical.
If it's true then it really makes me wonder who's in bed with who? Are MS and other officials holding private meetings? Or if it's true, is this solely a marketing strategy for we did it first bragging rights?

 

Edit: I just thought of the incentive looking at it from a devs point of view. It would be enticing for a dev company that's tired of used game sales, to cooperate with a platform with this feature. 

Not sure why you throught MS would be the last to implement this. It was the orginal idea of the XB1 until the internet exploded and didnt want it.

MS house 14 1st party gaming studios and possibly more.

They have full digital game services that is hugely popular.

They are also the only ones that own there own Cloud service thats world wide. (Azure)

Basically what i am saying is, MS tried this awhile ago and if this rumoured Xbox is true, this is them testing the waters again to see if this sticks. It's really only a matter of time.



Azzanation said:
SuperRetroTurbo said:

I genuinely believed MS would have been the last of the 3 to implement this feature mainly for the lack of a "legitimate" first party studio. I mean, I could see why Sony and Ninty would want the authorization of used game sales to end because it affects their business directly but MS isn't in that boat.
That's why to me at least there's question marks all over this. Not that we don't see it coming as gamers but WHICH company to do it first is almost rhetorical.
If it's true then it really makes me wonder who's in bed with who? Are MS and other officials holding private meetings? Or if it's true, is this solely a marketing strategy for we did it first bragging rights?

 

Edit: I just thought of the incentive looking at it from a devs point of view. It would be enticing for a dev company that's tired of used game sales, to cooperate with a platform with this feature. 

Not sure why you throught MS would be the last to implement this. It was the orginal idea of the XB1 until the internet exploded and didnt want it.

MS house 14 1st party gaming studios and possibly more.

They have full digital game services that is hugely popular.

They are also the only ones that own there own Cloud service thats world wide. (Azure)

Basically what i am saying is, MS tried this awhile ago and if this rumoured Xbox is true, this is them testing the waters again to see if this sticks. It's really only a matter of time.

I missed out on this gens release so I wasn't aware about their initial plans for the console. I just remember there being backlash from the community over pricing and having to play online 24 hours. I thought the disc less drive was just a rumor back then too.

I put the word "legitimate" in quotes as to say MS doesn't have a traditional first party studio like Nintendo and Sony in the regards of developers who are also part of the console team. From what I gather, even still their first party devs pale in comparison to Sony's first party devs and are nothing in comparison to Nintendo's first party in traditional sense.

As for the rest of it, I can honestly say I wouldn't know much about what the One can do. My original XBO was stolen and I never had the chance to play my S online. I just recently bought an X but haven't even gotten to the interface because I don't have an isp.



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On every physical copy sold, the console makers have a 20% cut (every single game, not just exclusives), while digital sales get them a 30% cut. That's a 50% increase.

The publishers/developers get a increase in their cut too, going from 55% to 70%. That would be about a 28% increase.

With both sides benefiting from digital sales more than physical, it would make sense for them to incentivize people to go full digital. So understandably they try to cut out the middle man, which is the retailer.

This is a shift I fully support (infact I'm like 98% digital already) for various reasons (for example, more of my money goes through to the makers of the game, especially if it's an indie game), but many others oppose it.



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SuperRetroTurbo said:

I missed out on this gens release so I wasn't aware about their initial plans for the console. I just remember there being backlash from the community over pricing and having to play online 24 hours. I thought the disc less drive was just a rumor back then too.

I put the word "legitimate" in quotes as to say MS doesn't have a traditional first party studio like Nintendo and Sony in the regards of developers who are also part of the console team. From what I gather, even still their first party devs pale in comparison to Sony's first party devs and are nothing in comparison to Nintendo's first party in traditional sense.

As for the rest of it, I can honestly say I wouldn't know much about what the One can do. My original XBO was stolen and I never had the chance to play my S online. I just recently bought an X but haven't even gotten to the interface because I don't have an isp.

You are correct, it was just a rumour back than, much like its a rumour now however its clear MS has been focusing more on building there online devision. Thats what the DRM and X1 anti consumer features were for.

As for MS's 1st party companies failing in comparison.. well i have to disagree. In what way exactly? Each company has there strenghts and weaknesses. Xboxs top tier devs are just as good as any. But if you are comparing Compulsion Games with Naughty Dog sure, a small to mid tier dev would fall short. but lets not forget 343, Turn10, Playground Games, The Coalition and soon to join in on the party with The Initiative. All top tier devs best in class with what they actually make.

Xbox has the better focus on FPS, Racing and Multiplayer games, thats there strenght, where Nintendo has the Platforming, Adventure and Fighting market and Sony have the Single player mature games and best 3rd person games. 

That last part falls entirely under your preference.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 19 November 2018

It was obvious that at some point there would be discless console, people were expecting it mid-gen next gen, but MS will start earlier.

Considering it will be cheaper, lighter and a good 30-50% of retail games are bought digitally I can see this going well even if not increasing the userbase of MS but setting the space for next gen they starting with at least regular console, streaming console/discless console and with good price points getting a good start.

@SuperTurbo: console makers get a cut on all games sold new be it digital or physical (and from a post above they get more on digital). So it is also their interest to reduce second hand market... sure that can also reduce gaming market as a whole as some people will stop playing games if they can't buy used, while others won't buy as much new games if they can't sell the used. But on their strategy they believe they will profit more this way.

Last edited by DonFerrari - on 19 November 2018

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Jaxyfoo said:
Most people in the UK will be horrified at this idea. Digital games at launch are almost twice the price of the disc version. If digital pricing doesn't come down to match, then it will be where millions of gamers switch off.

Why would anyone pay the double for less? Cary stuff.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Next gen I do believe that consoles will have 2 versions, a Disc Drive version with a 1-2TB and a digital only with a 2-4TB with similar costs.

Problem is pricing. Fallout 76 on PSN £60, Fallout 76 from shops or online stores as physical £45. PSN and Xbox Live need competitive pricing but won't ever happen as long as they control the only way to buy the game on digital. There aren't enough 'codes' available in high street stores, as I presume Sony and the developer get less of a cut.



Hmm, pie.

I read that as "Dick-less Xbox releasing in 2019"