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Miyamotoo on 24 October 2018
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
On Resetera, few known insiders, said that that some big 3rd party games are on hold and some even cancelled because price/availability of bigger Switch carts,
it's definitely that problem affecting in some degree on 3rd party support for Switch. GTAV and CoD are games that were heavily hinted like some examples.

Saying that WSJ at end of last year reported that 64GB Switch carts are coming in 2019. and probably in same time prices of 32GB and 16GB carts will go down (apparently only one game until now used 32GB cart), so we should have more big 3rd party games next year.
WSJ also last year reported that big 3rd party Japanese games will start showing in 2019. because of time when work on them started (at end of 2017. or early 2018.).

If you think for one second that Nintendo would allow the cancellation of CoD and GTA games on their platform over the production of 32/64 GB game carts, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you. That is absolutely preposterous, and only the most gullible would believe such tripe.

First, of course I will believe known and proved Switch insiders. Second, Nintendo cant do much if 64GB carts are coming in 2019. (like WSJ reported last year), or if prices of 32GB carts are still high for them (hardly that Nintendo will take costs of 3rd parties on itself). 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-carts-hindering-switch-reach-in-the-same-way-it-did-with-n64.36840/page-6

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Alby_da_Wolf on 24 October 2018

NS is already doing better now than Wii U lifetime on 1st parties, but it also already has 2 3rd party 1M+ sellers. Yes, as usual on Ninty HW, 1st party SW will take the lion's share, but the trend for 3rd parties already appears better than on Wii U. Some big games probably won't ever be portable at all to it, but as for the others, as NS user base will grow, more expensive ports will become viable. Whenever a port will be possible, the key will always be profitability.



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potato_hamster on 24 October 2018
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

If you think for one second that Nintendo would allow the cancellation of CoD and GTA games on their platform over the production of 32/64 GB game carts, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you. That is absolutely preposterous, and only the most gullible would believe such tripe.

First, of course I will believe known and proved Switch insiders. Second, Nintendo cant do much if 64GB carts are coming in 2019. (like WSJ reported last year), or if prices of 32GB carts are still high for them (hardly that Nintendo will take costs of 3rd parties on itself). 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-carts-hindering-switch-reach-in-the-same-way-it-did-with-n64.36840/page-6

Well i guess that proves anything anyone needs to know about you. You think GTAV (A Game that shipped on 2 DVDs for Xbox 360) is not on the Switch because Nintendo couldn't produce the cartridges to ship the game on. Wow.

So about that swamp land...

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Miyamotoo on 24 October 2018
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

First, of course I will believe known and proved Switch insiders. Second, Nintendo cant do much if 64GB carts are coming in 2019. (like WSJ reported last year), or if prices of 32GB carts are still high for them (hardly that Nintendo will take costs of 3rd parties on itself). 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-carts-hindering-switch-reach-in-the-same-way-it-did-with-n64.36840/page-6

Well i guess that proves anything anyone needs to know about you. You think GTAV (A Game that shipped on 2 DVDs for Xbox 360) is not on the Switch because Nintendo couldn't produce the cartridges to ship the game on. Wow.

So about that swampland.

Actually your post tell much more about you than anything anything else. First is logical to trust source that was right with every leak about Switch and its considered for one of most accurate Switch leakers, especially when several other trusted insiders said they heard similar story. Second Switch is not Xbox 360, GTAV takes more than 55GB on Xbox One. Also, I didnt said that only size of carts is problem for every game, costs of carts is actually bigger problem, there is reason why no one using 32GB Switch carts even they are available from Switch launch.

So again, you dont make any sense with your posts.

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potato_hamster on 24 October 2018
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

Well i guess that proves anything anyone needs to know about you. You think GTAV (A Game that shipped on 2 DVDs for Xbox 360) is not on the Switch because Nintendo couldn't produce the cartridges to ship the game on. Wow.

So about that swampland.

Actually your post tell much more about you than anything anything else. First is logical to trust source that was right with every leak about Switch and its considered for one of most accurate Switch leakers, especially when several other trusted insiders said they heard similar story. Second Switch is not Xbox 360, GTAV takes more than 55GB on Xbox One. Also, I didnt said that only size of carts is problem for every game, costs of carts is actually bigger problem, there is reason why no one using 32GB Switch carts even they are available from Switch launch.

So again, you dont make any sense with your posts.

lol. So because you found some randoms on the internet that you trust as sources, I should automatically trust because you claim they're industry insiders? Just because they might know people in the industry that tell the stuff before announcements (Which, by the way, I qualify as one of those people, as I have friends and former colleagues in over a dozen major development studios across the world that have told me about plenty of projects they actually trust me not to talk about) doesn't mean your sources know whether or not certain projects have been canned or shelved or why they were canned or shelved. Furthermore, they didn't actually say that games like GoD or GTA V were in development and canned/shelved based on that thread. One of them claims to know a person at THQ Nordic. Not sure how that person would know any more about GTA V on Switch any more than one of my sources at EA Bioware would. Would you care to tell me how they would know that?

Finally, it makes absolutely no sense. For one, Nintendo has funded entire games (hello Bayonetta!) mostly in an effort to change the perception of the kinds of games that appear on Nintendo's platfforms. They could easily eat the difference in cost of 32 GB cartridges for GTA V if that was the only thing stopping the game from coming out on the Switch. Secondly, Rockstar would know about the cartridge costs before they even started the project, so they would have had to have been comfortable with the cartridge prices before they started full development, which means there's no way there's an finished game just sitting there waiting for cartridge prices to come down. Thirdly, Rockstar makes the vast majority of their GTA V money on in-game purchases. Like hundreds of millions of dollars a year just on shark card purchases. I highly doubt they wouldn't be willing to take a smaller cut on game sales (that is even lower than the drop in cut they get when the game goes on sale) to forfeit that sweet in-game purchase gravy on yet another platform.

You argument makes absolutely zero sense. So if your "insiders" are peddling this, then you're putting your trust in the wrong people, and embarrassing yourself even further by insisting that others should trust them as well.


... so how much of that swampland do you want? My inside source told me that my prices are the best out there, and trust me, they know what they're talking about.



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Jumpin on 24 October 2018
Alby_da_Wolf said:
NS is already doing better now than Wii U lifetime on 1st parties, but it also already has 2 3rd party 1M+ sellers. Yes, as usual on Ninty HW, 1st party SW will take the lion's share, but the trend for 3rd parties already appears better than on Wii U. Some big games probably won't ever be portable at all to it, but as for the others, as NS user base will grow, more expensive ports will become viable. Whenever a port will be possible, the key will always be profitability.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that Nintendo is generally the company that makes the games that sell the console. The killer apps are from Nintendo. There are only two times in Nintendo's history that I can recall people picking up consoles for third party games: the SNES with Street Fighter 2, and the Wii with Just Dance. Just Dance was kind of a sleeper hit that blew up in the later period of the Wii's lifecycle when a lot of hardware resells were available - so Just Dance likely wasn't a huge help to Nintendo. It likely helped other companies on later-gen software sales the Wii experienced between 2010 and 2012 by keeping Wii users active on the platform during that period.



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Train wreck on 24 October 2018
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually your post tell much more about you than anything anything else. First is logical to trust source that was right with every leak about Switch and its considered for one of most accurate Switch leakers, especially when several other trusted insiders said they heard similar story. Second Switch is not Xbox 360, GTAV takes more than 55GB on Xbox One. Also, I didnt said that only size of carts is problem for every game, costs of carts is actually bigger problem, there is reason why no one using 32GB Switch carts even they are available from Switch launch.

So again, you dont make any sense with your posts.

lol. So because you found some randoms on the internet that you trust as sources, I should automatically trust because you claim they're industry insiders? Just because they might know people in the industry that tell the stuff before announcements (Which, by the way, I qualify as one of those people, as I have friends and former colleagues in over a dozen major development studios across the world that have told me about plenty of projects they actually trust me not to talk about) doesn't mean your sources know whether or not certain projects have been canned or shelved or why they were canned or shelved. Furthermore, they didn't actually say that games like GoD or GTA V were in development and canned/shelved based on that thread. One of them claims to know a person at THQ Nordic. Not sure how that person would know any more about GTA V on Switch any more than one of my sources at EA Bioware would. Would you care to tell me how they would know that?

Finally, it makes absolutely no sense. For one, Nintendo has funded entire games (hello Bayonetta!) mostly in an effort to change the perception of the kinds of games that appear on Nintendo's platfforms. They could easily eat the difference in cost of 32 GB cartridges for GTA V if that was the only thing stopping the game from coming out on the Switch. Secondly, Rockstar would know about the cartridge costs before they even started the project, so they would have had to have been comfortable with the cartridge prices before they started full development, which means there's no way there's an finished game just sitting there waiting for cartridge prices to come down. Thirdly, Rockstar makes the vast majority of their GTA V money on in-game purchases. Like hundreds of millions of dollars a year just on shark card purchases. I highly doubt they wouldn't be willing to take a smaller cut on game sales (that is even lower than the drop in cut they get when the game goes on sale) to forfeit that sweet in-game purchase gravy on yet another platform.

You argument makes absolutely zero sense. So if your "insiders" are peddling this, then you're putting your trust in the wrong people, and embarrassing yourself even further by insisting that others should trust them as well.


... so how much of that swampland do you want? My inside source told me that my prices are the best out there, and trust me, they know what they're talking about.

I don't know why you or others continue to bother with Miyamtoo, just look at the nonsense he wrote about the switch/NX early on, passing fiction as fact.  That's what he does best.

 

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AngryLittleAlchemist on 24 October 2018
Train wreck said:
potato_hamster said:

lol. So because you found some randoms on the internet that you trust as sources, I should automatically trust because you claim they're industry insiders? Just because they might know people in the industry that tell the stuff before announcements (Which, by the way, I qualify as one of those people, as I have friends and former colleagues in over a dozen major development studios across the world that have told me about plenty of projects they actually trust me not to talk about) doesn't mean your sources know whether or not certain projects have been canned or shelved or why they were canned or shelved. Furthermore, they didn't actually say that games like GoD or GTA V were in development and canned/shelved based on that thread. One of them claims to know a person at THQ Nordic. Not sure how that person would know any more about GTA V on Switch any more than one of my sources at EA Bioware would. Would you care to tell me how they would know that?

Finally, it makes absolutely no sense. For one, Nintendo has funded entire games (hello Bayonetta!) mostly in an effort to change the perception of the kinds of games that appear on Nintendo's platfforms. They could easily eat the difference in cost of 32 GB cartridges for GTA V if that was the only thing stopping the game from coming out on the Switch. Secondly, Rockstar would know about the cartridge costs before they even started the project, so they would have had to have been comfortable with the cartridge prices before they started full development, which means there's no way there's an finished game just sitting there waiting for cartridge prices to come down. Thirdly, Rockstar makes the vast majority of their GTA V money on in-game purchases. Like hundreds of millions of dollars a year just on shark card purchases. I highly doubt they wouldn't be willing to take a smaller cut on game sales (that is even lower than the drop in cut they get when the game goes on sale) to forfeit that sweet in-game purchase gravy on yet another platform.

You argument makes absolutely zero sense. So if your "insiders" are peddling this, then you're putting your trust in the wrong people, and embarrassing yourself even further by insisting that others should trust them as well.


... so how much of that swampland do you want? My inside source told me that my prices are the best out there, and trust me, they know what they're talking about.

I don't know why you or others continue to bother with Miyamtoo, just look at the nonsense he wrote about the switch/NX early on, passing fiction as fact.  That's what he does best.

Actually what he does best is repeating "so again, you dont makes any sense" a thousand times and pretending like that's a great argument against someone (or that is bares repeating again and again). 



potato_hamster on 24 October 2018
Train wreck said:
potato_hamster said:

lol. So because you found some randoms on the internet that you trust as sources, I should automatically trust because you claim they're industry insiders? Just because they might know people in the industry that tell the stuff before announcements (Which, by the way, I qualify as one of those people, as I have friends and former colleagues in over a dozen major development studios across the world that have told me about plenty of projects they actually trust me not to talk about) doesn't mean your sources know whether or not certain projects have been canned or shelved or why they were canned or shelved. Furthermore, they didn't actually say that games like GoD or GTA V were in development and canned/shelved based on that thread. One of them claims to know a person at THQ Nordic. Not sure how that person would know any more about GTA V on Switch any more than one of my sources at EA Bioware would. Would you care to tell me how they would know that?

Finally, it makes absolutely no sense. For one, Nintendo has funded entire games (hello Bayonetta!) mostly in an effort to change the perception of the kinds of games that appear on Nintendo's platfforms. They could easily eat the difference in cost of 32 GB cartridges for GTA V if that was the only thing stopping the game from coming out on the Switch. Secondly, Rockstar would know about the cartridge costs before they even started the project, so they would have had to have been comfortable with the cartridge prices before they started full development, which means there's no way there's an finished game just sitting there waiting for cartridge prices to come down. Thirdly, Rockstar makes the vast majority of their GTA V money on in-game purchases. Like hundreds of millions of dollars a year just on shark card purchases. I highly doubt they wouldn't be willing to take a smaller cut on game sales (that is even lower than the drop in cut they get when the game goes on sale) to forfeit that sweet in-game purchase gravy on yet another platform.

You argument makes absolutely zero sense. So if your "insiders" are peddling this, then you're putting your trust in the wrong people, and embarrassing yourself even further by insisting that others should trust them as well.


... so how much of that swampland do you want? My inside source told me that my prices are the best out there, and trust me, they know what they're talking about.

I don't know why you or others continue to bother with Miyamtoo, just look at the nonsense he wrote about the switch/NX early on, passing fiction as fact.  That's what he does best.

Bad ideas should be continued to be challenged and exposed for the nonsense they are, lest they take root and grow. Although I will admit I'm pretty much at the end of my rope for this conversation since, unsurprisingly, it's going nowhere.



zorg1000 on 24 October 2018
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually your post tell much more about you than anything anything else. First is logical to trust source that was right with every leak about Switch and its considered for one of most accurate Switch leakers, especially when several other trusted insiders said they heard similar story. Second Switch is not Xbox 360, GTAV takes more than 55GB on Xbox One. Also, I didnt said that only size of carts is problem for every game, costs of carts is actually bigger problem, there is reason why no one using 32GB Switch carts even they are available from Switch launch.

So again, you dont make any sense with your posts.

lol. So because you found some randoms on the internet that you trust as sources, I should automatically trust because you claim they're industry insiders? Just because they might know people in the industry that tell the stuff before announcements (Which, by the way, I qualify as one of those people, as I have friends and former colleagues in over a dozen major development studios across the world that have told me about plenty of projects they actually trust me not to talk about) doesn't mean your sources know whether or not certain projects have been canned or shelved or why they were canned or shelved. Furthermore, they didn't actually say that games like GoD or GTA V were in development and canned/shelved based on that thread. One of them claims to know a person at THQ Nordic. Not sure how that person would know any more about GTA V on Switch any more than one of my sources at EA Bioware would. Would you care to tell me how they would know that?

Finally, it makes absolutely no sense. For one, Nintendo has funded entire games (hello Bayonetta!) mostly in an effort to change the perception of the kinds of games that appear on Nintendo's platfforms. They could easily eat the difference in cost of 32 GB cartridges for GTA V if that was the only thing stopping the game from coming out on the Switch. Secondly, Rockstar would know about the cartridge costs before they even started the project, so they would have had to have been comfortable with the cartridge prices before they started full development, which means there's no way there's an finished game just sitting there waiting for cartridge prices to come down. Thirdly, Rockstar makes the vast majority of their GTA V money on in-game purchases. Like hundreds of millions of dollars a year just on shark card purchases. I highly doubt they wouldn't be willing to take a smaller cut on game sales (that is even lower than the drop in cut they get when the game goes on sale) to forfeit that sweet in-game purchase gravy on yet another platform.

You argument makes absolutely zero sense. So if your "insiders" are peddling this, then you're putting your trust in the wrong people, and embarrassing yourself even further by insisting that others should trust them as well.


... so how much of that swampland do you want? My inside source told me that my prices are the best out there, and trust me, they know what they're talking about.

Ya it's best to take any leaks with a grain of salt, even the insiders with the best track records get things wrong or at least partially wrong from time to time.



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