WolfpackN64 said:
o_O.Q said:
can you explain how fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive?
i'd argue that socialism is in line at least partially with fascism because socialism is about stopping private ownership or in other words opposition to state owned business
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"
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They are ideologically mutually exclusive. Their ideas on statehood, personhood and even the economy are radically different. Idealistic Socialism argues for a fully cooperative economy (no state, no corporations), while Marxism-Leninism opted for a fully state driven economy.
The economy in Nazi Germany has more in common with a State Capitalistic society. Technically a free market, but with heavy state involvement in strategic sectors by means of working closely together with a few corporations in said sector.
I mean, the complete counterfactual reasoning that fascism and socialism are ideologically related would eventually mean you could lump capitalism and liberalism in there as well. That's just rediculous.
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"Idealistic Socialism argues for a fully cooperative economy (no state, no corporations), while Marxism-Leninism opted for a fully state driven economy."
can you explain to me rationally how a society can be run without some type of centralised(state) control?
i'm pretty sure that you can't... how then does socialism devolve power from individuals to the "community"?
"The economy in Nazi Germany has more in common with a State Capitalistic society. Technically a free market"
this is a lie, the businesses in germany were controlled by the state
the businesses did not have freedom with respect to how they were run since the state controlled that
"I mean, the complete counterfactual reasoning that fascism and socialism are ideologically related"
ideal socialism is a fairy tale... i'm talking about what happpes when people try to put these ideas into practice
"would eventually mean you could lump capitalism and liberalism in there as well."
how so?