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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Dr.Vita said:


Stupid argument. Unlike Kratos or MC the Mario character has been milked by Nintendo now for more than 30 years. How many different franchises/genres does he have now? Super Mario 2D, Super Mario 3D, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis and so many more... Besides that Mario is one of the only few popular characters Nintendo has while Sony has more great and popular characters in different franchises besides Kratos for example Nathan Drake, Ratchet, Sackboy, Aloy, Cole MacGrath to name a few...

Who are those last two? I seriously have no idea were they come from and don't think I ever heard those names before.

They're the main characters from Horizon and Infamous respectively.



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Train wreck said:
Miyamotoo said:

My point was just that your sales numbers were not accurate.

We only have official numbers for total Playstation consoles sold (525.3M), the PS1 (102.49) and PS4 (81.2).  Your numbers are no more accurate than his.

PSP sales:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/218822/After_80_million_units_sold_the_PSP_is_finally_discontinued.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29

https://www.theverge.com/2014/6/3/5775076/psp-stops-shipping-in-japan

 

Talking about PS3 numbers, my numbers are based on numbers we have, like VGCH numbers and Wiki, and they are both around 85m. So yeah, my numbers are much more accurate in both cases than his, especially when we talk about PSP numbers.

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They should have done one of these for Nintendo back when the Wii and DS were hot. Their method was so interesting, and there were a lot of details people don't know to this day.

But apparently Wii and DS were failures, and behind the 360 and PS3 in sales, even though that is not true at all.. maybe the same will happen to the PS4. I mean, who knows?



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

Well the point still stands on the high total sales.

My point was just that your sales numbers were not accurate.

Yes you are right, even if neither of us was trying to make an opposite point =]

Train wreck said:
Miyamotoo said:

My point was just that your sales numbers were not accurate.

We only have official numbers for total Playstation consoles sold (525.3M), the PS1 (102.49) and PS4 (81.2).  Your numbers are no more accurate than his.

His numbers are more accurate. I didn't check before, I just rounded from memory and got it wrong.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Dr.Vita said:


Stupid argument. Unlike Kratos or MC the Mario character has been milked by Nintendo now for more than 30 years. How many different franchises/genres does he have now? Super Mario 2D, Super Mario 3D, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis and so many more... Besides that Mario is one of the only few popular characters Nintendo has while Sony has more great and popular characters in different franchises besides Kratos for example Nathan Drake, Ratchet, Sackboy, Aloy, Cole MacGrath to name a few...

Who are those last two? I seriously have no idea were they come from and don't think I ever heard those names before.

Kratos -> God of War

Nate -> Uncharted

Ratchet -> Ratchet and Clank

Sackboy -> Little Big Planet

Aloy -> Horizon Zero Dawn

Cole MacGrath -> Infamous 1 and 2.



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VAMatt said:
S.Peelman said:
Comeback? I never felt they were ever away.

I mean they didn’t win last-gen but they still sold about 165m consoles. Now if Atari or SEGA would make a new console that was successful, that would be a comeback.

What's up with the Atari box?

Oh yeah, that’s a.. thing.

OlfinBedwere said:
S.Peelman said:
I mean they didn’t win last-gen but they still sold about 165m consoles.

I think you're getting the PS3's numbers muddled with those of the PS2. They sold on the order of 82-85m PS3s, depending on who you ask.

Sorry, meant PS3 and PSP put together.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Who are those last two? I seriously have no idea were they come from and don't think I ever heard those names before.

They're the main characters from Horizon and Infamous respectively.

Thanks. Yeah I know those franchises but the names of the protagonists were unknown to me



The only video game characters universally recognized for the average person are Mario and Pikachu, probably Master Chief in USA and maybe Sonic or Crash could be others that come to my mind, but i don't think so. After those, videogame characters are just known for people that usually play games, like Link, Donkey Kong, Cloud, Snake, Ryu, Drake, Kratos, Joel and Ellie, etc....and despite the money that the videogame industry moves, is still a medium not as popular as TV or movies.

People outside of gaming recognize more names of consoles or games than characters...That's why Mario is so popular, because his name is the game...(and Pikachu is because the success of the TV series), but it you asked people in the street who is the main protagonist of Zelda....., well, you could imagine what name people would say. Besides Mario, people will recognize more names like Fortnite, Warcraft, Call of Duty, FIFA, Nintendo, Playstation, Xbox than 99% of videogames characters.



GoOnKid said:
omarct said:

Thats not very impressive considering nintendo has been milking the same 10 characters for over 20 years. Imagine if Sony started making 3-5 Kratos games and spinoffs every generation, what would happen in 20 years? Anyways all of Nintendos characters are kid friendly so they can make tons of toys and other merchandise, so of course more people will know of the characters. Yet this means nothing to the king of video games title, now if it was the king of video games merchandise or king of video game toys or maybe king of reusing IPs, then I would agree. Just did I quick search and since 1981 and there are around 300 video games featuring the character MARIO.

Is Mario popular because there are so many Mario games or are there so many Mario games because he is popular?

I would say the former. Repeat something long enough and people will remember it. That is the whole concept behinds ads and commercials on television. 



omarct said:

Thats not very impressive considering nintendo has been milking the same 10 characters for over 20 years. Imagine if Sony started making 3-5 Kratos games and spinoffs every generation, what would happen in 20 years? Anyways all of Nintendos characters are kid friendly so they can make tons of toys and other merchandise, so of course more people will know of the characters. Yet this means nothing to the king of video games title, now if it was the king of video games merchandise or king of video game toys or maybe king of reusing IPs, then I would agree. Just did I quick search and since 1981 and there are around 300 video games featuring the character MARIO.

You make an interesting point. From 2008-2013 Sackboy starred in three numbered LittleBigPlanet games, two handheld-tailored play-alikes for PSP and PSV, a racing game (LBP Karting) and the crossover PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale.

Who is Sackboy?



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RolStoppable said:
omarct said:

Thats not very impressive considering nintendo has been milking the same 10 characters for over 20 years. Imagine if Sony started making 3-5 Kratos games and spinoffs every generation, what would happen in 20 years? Anyways all of Nintendos characters are kid friendly so they can make tons of toys and other merchandise, so of course more people will know of the characters. Yet this means nothing to the king of video games title, now if it was the king of video games merchandise or king of video game toys or maybe king of reusing IPs, then I would agree. Just did I quick search and since 1981 and there are around 300 video games featuring the character MARIO.

You make an interesting point. From 2008-2013 Sackboy starred in three numbered LittleBigPlanet games, two handheld-tailored play-alikes for PSP and PSV, a racing game (LBP Karting) and the crossover PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale.

Who is Sackboy?

I am pretty sure most playstation users know who sackboy is, what is your point? 5 years is no where near enough time to become as famous as Mario, Go back to 1981-1986 and ask people who Mario was.