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deskpro2k3 on 09 September 2018
Faelco said:
deskpro2k3 said:
people saying it's sjw fault this, and sjw fault that need to calm their tits. her skin color was never represented in the book, and the book is canon.

Other people quoted the books though, and it clearly said that she's white... 

I assume people are quoting this?

From Sword of Destiny page 416. “She had fair hair, ashen white complexion and large impetuous green eyes”

Let me break it down for those people to understand:

"fair hair - ashen white complexion" and "Impetuous green eyes". So where does it say anything about being white?

in other versions (Gollancz, with the cover illustration made by Alejandro Colucci) this quote is 'She had fair, mousy hair and huge glaringly green eyes.' English audiobook has the same exact quote 'She had fair hair, mouse-gray, and large impetuous eyes'.
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ironmanDX on 09 September 2018
deskpro2k3 said:
Faelco said:

Other people quoted the books though, and it clearly said that she's white... 

I assume people are quoting this?

From Sword of Destiny page 416. “She had fair hair, ashen white complexion and large impetuous green eyes”

Let me break it down for those people to understand:

"fair hair - ashen white complexion" and "Impetuous green eyes". So where does it say anything about being white?

in other versions (Gollancz, with the cover illustration made by Alejandro Colucci) this quote is 'She had fair, mousy hair and huge glaringly green eyes.' English audiobook has the same exact quote 'She had fair hair, mouse-gray, and large impetuous eyes'.

What about her parents? How are they described in the books? Without spoiling too much if possible.



deskpro2k3 on 09 September 2018
ironmanDX said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I assume people are quoting this?

From Sword of Destiny page 416. “She had fair hair, ashen white complexion and large impetuous green eyes”

Let me break it down for those people to understand:

"fair hair - ashen white complexion" and "Impetuous green eyes". So where does it say anything about being white?

in other versions (Gollancz, with the cover illustration made by Alejandro Colucci) this quote is 'She had fair, mousy hair and huge glaringly green eyes.' English audiobook has the same exact quote 'She had fair hair, mouse-gray, and large impetuous eyes'.

What about her parents? How are they described in the books? Without spoiling too much if possible.

Mixed race. On the mother side.



ironmanDX on 09 September 2018
deskpro2k3 said:
ironmanDX said:

What about her parents? How are they described in the books? Without spoiling too much if possible.

Mixed race. On the mother side.

Mixed race how? Elven?

 

Are they white or black is what I'm getting at here.  A physical discription of the parents.



deskpro2k3 on 09 September 2018
ironmanDX said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Mixed race. On the mother side.

Mixed race how? Elven?

 

Are they white or black is what I'm getting at here.  A physical discription of the parents.

It doesn't. the book states that Ciri have elven blood on her mother's side and on her father's side she is Nilfgardian. Nilfgaard is described as a southern kingdom as oppose  the northern kingdoms that they invades. And besides, Ciri's full name is Cirilla Fiona Elen Riannon, that doesn't sound Polish or Slavic to me.



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BoseDK on 09 September 2018
Spike0503 said:
BoseDK said:

That's the thing. White people have been casted in movies and shows for a century now where it made no sense, and no one cares. 

Soon as a non-white gets a role that should probably go to a white actor all of a sudden SJWs have ruined the world.

I can only speak for myself but just as I think this Ciri situation is a bad decision, I thought that was a dumb idea as well. The main characters in that movie were mythological gods, most of which had been represented in Egyptian culture through animals or humans with animal heads, but if they were going to make them human then they should've looked like they belonged to Egypt. Which wasn't the case at all, obviously.

So don't generalize dude. Some of us call the BS as soon as we see it, no matter the color.

I wasn’t talking about God’s of Egypt specifically, I haven’t seen it.

white actors have been playing everyone since movies became a thing with no outrage I can remember.

was there a thread like this when Exodus had Christian bale playing Moses for instance? Did you voice your objection then?



Immersiveunreality on 09 September 2018
Alara317 said:
Spike0503 said:

You are so wrong. A character should be portrayed as closely as possible to the original material or it risks being a bastardization. More importantly, there are thematic reasons in the story of the books that make changing her race a HUGE departure from the original story. This is nothing but a pathetic attempt at "diversity" while disregarding the original story these execs are leeching from to make their bucks.

Also, shame on you for that last sentence. What you said is absolute BS. Accusing those who disagree with you of racism is typical of those with an agenda and no capacity of respecting views other than their own. My gf and I are pissed off about this stupid decision and neither of us is white. Are we white supremacists for wanting an important character to remain the way she was written?.

You are so wrong. A character should be played by whoever is best for the role. If their race is not relevant to the plot or they're not portraying a real person, then there's no reason James Bond can't be black, Ciri can't be an ethnic minority, or Heimdall can't be played by Idriss Elba.  Changing Ciri's ethnicity doesn't change the story AT ALL, nor does it compromise the plot or bastardize the character. Literally all it does is give a spotlight to a minority that might not have gotten it otherwise. 

That, and offend racists who hate the idea of being a slightly smaller majority than they already are. 

True but in this case they excluded white skincolor from the start without even giving those actors a chance, thats not looking for whoever is best fit for the role oh no this is discriminating in order to put in diversity. (and that is whatever the whole social justice scene should be against)

Also Ciri her lineage and skincolor are important in the books,and most people just want bookadaptations or at least the characters to resemble their bookcounterparts. Everything does not have to be about racism.



Faelco on 09 September 2018
deskpro2k3 said:
Faelco said:

Other people quoted the books though, and it clearly said that she's white... 

I assume people are quoting this?

From Sword of Destiny page 416. “She had fair hair, ashen white complexion and large impetuous green eyes”

Let me break it down for those people to understand:

"fair hair - ashen white complexion" and "Impetuous green eyes". So where does it say anything about being white?

in other versions (Gollancz, with the cover illustration made by Alejandro Colucci) this quote is 'She had fair, mousy hair and huge glaringly green eyes.' English audiobook has the same exact quote 'She had fair hair, mouse-gray, and large impetuous eyes'.

Is that a joke? 

Complexion literally means "color of the skin". So her skin color is "ashen white". How can you quote something saying "her skin is white", and ask where it's said that her skin is white...

 

A bit ironic to say "let me break it down for those people to understand" when you fail to understand the most important word in the sentence... 

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ironmanDX on 09 September 2018
Faelco said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I assume people are quoting this?

From Sword of Destiny page 416. “She had fair hair, ashen white complexion and large impetuous green eyes”

Let me break it down for those people to understand:

"fair hair - ashen white complexion" and "Impetuous green eyes". So where does it say anything about being white?

in other versions (Gollancz, with the cover illustration made by Alejandro Colucci) this quote is 'She had fair, mousy hair and huge glaringly green eyes.' English audiobook has the same exact quote 'She had fair hair, mouse-gray, and large impetuous eyes'.

Is that a joke? 

Complexion literally means "color of the skin". So her skin color is "ashen white". How can you quote something saying "her skin is white", and ask where it's said that her skin is white...

 

A bit ironic to say "let me break it down for those people to understand" when you fail to understand the most important word in the sentence... 

Complexion can mean characteristics of other things too. It does seem pretty clear in the statement but I decided to give him benefit of the doubt.

 

Why I asked about the parentage. Are there dark skinned elves in the Witcher lore? That's the next question. I can't think of any. Nilfgaardians are white.



Faelco on 09 September 2018
ironmanDX said:
Faelco said:

Is that a joke? 

Complexion literally means "color of the skin". So her skin color is "ashen white". How can you quote something saying "her skin is white", and ask where it's said that her skin is white...

 

A bit ironic to say "let me break it down for those people to understand" when you fail to understand the most important word in the sentence... 

Complexion can mean characteristics of other things too. It does seem pretty clear in the statement but I decided to give him benefit of the doubt.

 

Why I asked about the parentage. Are there dark skinned elves in the Witcher lore? That's the next question. I can't think of any. Nilfgaardians are white.

The main meaning is still the skin color (the other ones are obsolete or rare/inapplicable here). And in a description of a character, "white complexion" is obvious to understand.

His comment clearly shows that he doesn't know this word, otherwise he would at least understand why people quoted this sentence to explain that she's white. Trying to give a lesson to others without knowing the meaning of the word is a joke.