Who is Sony's PS mascot?

Kratos 25 39.68%
 
Nathan Drake 20 31.75%
 
Ratchet and Clank 4 6.35%
 
Helghast 0 0.00%
 
Sackboy 7 11.11%
 
Other 7 11.11%
 
Total:63
BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

Splatoon says hi.

Splatoon is a successful new IP for Nintendo, in a long time, but on the level of Mario/Zelda? I don't think so.

I'm talking about the fact that Sony's studios are able to make things more successful than their last time and again.

Naughty Dog under Sony went from Jak to Uncharted and followed it up with The Last of Us, each bigger than the last.

Guerrilla Games went from Killzone to Horizon Zero Dawn. Suckerpunch went from Sly Cooper to Infamous to. Ghost of Tsushima.

Nintendo has basically been surviving on the few IPs that put them on the map 2-3 decades ago and have failed to recapture the lightning again since then. Maybe they just don't have the talent anymore or are too scared to invest big money into new IPs, either way they would be nothing without Mario/Zelda/Pokemon. While you can take every IP Sony has and they it wouldn't hurt them any all as they'll make new IPs that are bigger than anything they had.

Splatoon 2 has already outsold at least half of the Zelda games.  Not every game sells like Twilight Princess, Ocarina of Time, or Breath of the Wild.



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Shiken said:
BoseDK said:

Splatoon is a successful new IP for Nintendo, in a long time, but on the level of Mario/Zelda? I don't think so.

I'm talking about the fact that Sony's studios are able to make things more successful than their last time and again.

Naughty Dog under Sony went from Jak to Uncharted and followed it up with The Last of Us, each bigger than the last.

Guerrilla Games went from Killzone to Horizon Zero Dawn. Suckerpunch went from Sly Cooper to Infamous to. Ghost of Tsushima.

Nintendo has basically been surviving on the few IPs that put them on the map 2-3 decades ago and have failed to recapture the lightning again since then. Maybe they just don't have the talent anymore or are too scared to invest big money into new IPs, either way they would be nothing without Mario/Zelda/Pokemon. While you can take every IP Sony has and they it wouldn't hurt them any all as they'll make new IPs that are bigger than anything they had.

Splatoon 2 has already outsold at least half of the Zelda games.  Not every game sells like Twilight Princess, Ocarina of Time, or Breath of the Wild.

Yes, not every Zelda game sells like those 3, and not every game with Mario in it sells great either, but the point I'm making is that only these old Nintendo IPs are able to get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers. Nintendo's devs just don't have what it takes to get results without nostalgia it seems.



BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

Splatoon 2 has already outsold at least half of the Zelda games.  Not every game sells like Twilight Princess, Ocarina of Time, or Breath of the Wild.

Yes, not every Zelda game sells like those 3, and not every game with Mario in it sells great either, but the point I'm making is that only these old Nintendo IPs are able to get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers. Nintendo's devs just don't have what it takes to get results without nostalgia it seems.

Except they did get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers.  Splatoon 2 likely has a 50% attach rate when you factor in digital.  That is HUGE, and when Sony only had 20 mil consoles in the wild, it failed go come close to those numbers with any of their 1st party games.



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Obviously me.
aka LoD.



BraLoD said:
Obviously me.
aka LoD.

I wish that were the case my friend, for that would mean we would have more LoD games to play.



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Shiken said:
BraLoD said:
Obviously me.
aka LoD.

I wish that were the case my friend, for that would mean we would have more LoD games to play.

Meanwhile Sony just keep pretending it doesn't exist.

I wonder how will they react once they finally man up and do another one and they have a heavy hitter on that and realize how much money they have been losing.

They would make a fortune from me alone.

BTW, I think Sony official mascots are Toro and Kuro, the cats.



Shiken said:
BoseDK said:

Yes, not every Zelda game sells like those 3, and not every game with Mario in it sells great either, but the point I'm making is that only these old Nintendo IPs are able to get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers. Nintendo's devs just don't have what it takes to get results without nostalgia it seems.

Except they did get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers.  Splatoon 2 likely has a 50% attach rate when you factor in digital.  That is HUGE, and when Sony only had 20 mil consoles in the wild, it failed go come close to those numbers with any of their 1st party games.

Sony consoles have a ton of great games other than just first party so sales of individual titles are understandably lower. I mean look at the the number of million sellers on a Sony console vs any Nintendo console. People just have a lot more to choose from rather than just a handful of games worth playing that a Nintendo console gets so everyone has to make do with them. Anyway it's been decades since Nintendo made an IP that managed both Critical acclaim and huge blockbuster sales. they've managed one or the other a couple times, but both at the same time probably hasn't happened since the 90s. 



BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

Except they did get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers.  Splatoon 2 likely has a 50% attach rate when you factor in digital.  That is HUGE, and when Sony only had 20 mil consoles in the wild, it failed go come close to those numbers with any of their 1st party games.

Sony consoles have a ton of great games other than just first party so sales of individual titles are understandably lower. I mean look at the the number of million sellers on a Sony console vs any Nintendo console. People just have a lot more to choose from rather than just a handful of games worth playing that a Nintendo console gets so everyone has to make do with them. Anyway it's been decades since Nintendo made an IP that managed both Critical acclaim and huge blockbuster sales. they've managed one or the other a couple times, but both at the same time probably hasn't happened since the 90s. 

So now we are pulling 3rd party games into a discussion about 1st party sales figures?

 

*notices the goal posts seem to be on wheels*



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BraLoD said:
Shiken said:

I wish that were the case my friend, for that would mean we would have more LoD games to play.

Meanwhile Sony just keep pretending it doesn't exist.

I wonder how will they react once they finally man up and do another one and they have a heavy hitter on that and realize how much money they have been losing.

They would make a fortune from me alone.

BTW, I think Sony official mascots are Toro and Kuro, the cats.

You and me both lol.  This part of the gen seems to have a resurgence in revitalizing older IPs it seems, so fingers crossed!



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Shiken said:
BoseDK said:

Sony consoles have a ton of great games other than just first party so sales of individual titles are understandably lower. I mean look at the the number of million sellers on a Sony console vs any Nintendo console. People just have a lot more to choose from rather than just a handful of games worth playing that a Nintendo console gets so everyone has to make do with them. Anyway it's been decades since Nintendo made an IP that managed both Critical acclaim and huge blockbuster sales. they've managed one or the other a couple times, but both at the same time probably hasn't happened since the 90s. 

So now we are pulling 3rd party games into a discussion about 1st party sales figures?

 

*notices the goal posts seem to be on wheels*

You're the one derailing the conversation bud. It's about mascots and their importance. I have proven beyond a shadow of doubt why Sony has no need for them and MS/Nintendo are completely reliant on them and would go bankrupt if these few IPs were taken away from them as they simply lack the talent to create anything on the same level as what they did in the past. The attach rate of Sony's games vs. Nintendo's games has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Sony consoles sell more, have bigger libraries and a more diverse audience, all factors which lead to less attach rates for any individual game. Nintendo consoles have small install bases and very few worthwhile games to choose from and most buy the consoles for those few titles.