They count PC/Tablets ect that use Windows store in that as well right?
Plus Xb360 + Xbox 1 (& slim, X) right?

Where as the Playstation numbers are just PS4+PS3.

I know. That's why I approximated xbox consoles only to be at ~40 million mau in my previous post.

Sony Bravia's run an even more bloated OS in Android, TV, and they are by the absolute worst TV expereince on the market. I have two Sony TV's with Android, and both of them run like absolute garbage, even the $10,000 XBR75Z9D. It is nothing but lag, app crashes, and the OS completely locking up on both devices. When it happened with my smaller TV, I actually took it back for an exchange, and the same thing happened wih the exchanged model. I thought when I bought the Z9D, it would be better, but it is still the same mess. 

As for the control scheme, it just comes down to a unified language across all devices. Sony already has Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow buttons on there controllers. It would make much more sense to just make those X,O, Triangle, and Square. They don't have to get rid of the > and >> buttons, they can make them >/R1 and >>/R2, to at least keep consistant design across their products.

As for price, it would add very little cost, and Sony could keep prices in place. Any loss of profit margin would be made up many times over with people using their OS and Store Front.

Thanks man, always better to run on more updated and truthfull/precise info.

So about 2:1 MAU which is similar to sales and it makes sense. Probably also have something close to it on PS+ vs XBL. For PS4 we know to be about 40M, so 20M XBL seems reasonable

Yeah, not that this long after PS4 launch they are that big impact, but you are right. In XBL MAU there is also all the computer numbers and Switch Minecraft put together on their MAU (or have they removed switch from it?).

Source that PS4's OS is more bloated than Android TV? Interesting that they Switched to Android TV over their own OS they were running on TVs. It's probably because Android TV has far, far , far better app support,  and more advanced features and Sony can just take a cut of the sales through their devices instead of spending to support their own shit. So if anything, Sony is already heading in the opposite direction of what you want them to do. They're going further away from using their own OSs on devices that don't really need it and lowering the costs of making devices - not increasing them.

You do realize PS4's OS currently requires 3.5 GB of RAM alone, right? What are the odds your TV has 4 gigs of RAM available for the OS? Approximately none. Do you know why your TVs run their android OS  like garbage? Because smart TVs have the bare minimum processing power, and this Android OS probably requires more resources than their old TV OS did. Now you want to add to those requirements. What were you saying about the costs being minimum?

And again, why would they expect significant increases in revenue? The PS4 has what? A dozen apps made for it? Far less than the old Sony OS did, which again is minuscule compared to the android app store. They couldn't get devs to support their existing TV app store. They can't even get developers to support their PS4 OS. Why suddenly would these app makers suddenly support the PS4 OS better if it was running on TVs?


The Red/Blue/Green/Yellow buttons are Blu-ray standards, not Sony standards. Try again. Check out this Panasonic blu-ray remote if you don't believe me.

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1QH7sifxNTKJjy0Fjq6x6yVXaY.jpg?size=169281&height=1000&width=1000&hash=a235f8fda00ac66c4304e3f032dc8bf2

Adding PS controller buttons to other remotes is one of the dumbest, most ridiculous ideas you've had yet. Why does this keep getting wilder and wilder as time goes on despite Sony clearly going in another direction?

There seems to be a lot of confusion here, beginning  with the 31.5 million in Dec alone. The alone part is what adds to the confusion since there is no way they sold 31.5 million subs in a month , the next bit of confusion is  giving a monthly figure 252 million as a yearly figure if you used the $8 per month to calculate the yearly income from 31.5 million subs you would  do what Ka-pi96 did and multiply $96 by the 31.5 million giving  you a sum over 3 billion, my advice double check your numbers even if they are just estimates.

Gonna hand it to Sony, they certainly have destroyed everyone in the 8th generation.

Did not know the buttons related to Blu-ray. Thank you for informing me.

According to DisplaySpecifications: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/2c7061a

The Z9D only has 2GB of RAM, and 16GB of built in storage. It runs a MediaTek SOC. 

I know they have moved in the opposite direct, but it does not mean it is good business. Sales dropped from 14 Million TVs to 12 Million TVs the year they went from their OS to Android. They are expecting sales to drop to 11 Million this year. 

The problem with their old OS, just like Microsoft had with Windows Phone, is that it was yet another seperate platform developers had to support. By unifiing their devices behind a single OS, they would reduce redundency and cost  of running multiple different platforms. They would also offer a larger unified userbase, that developers can build one app for, that works across all Sony products. By having unified  controls across all of their devices, it would yet again simplify things for developers.

By running their own OS, and having users signed into an SIE account instead of a Google Account, they are automatically making more with their consumer using their Store. With close integration to PlayStation Vue, PlayStation Video, and PlayStation Now they would be able to obtain more subscriptions and sales through those services yet again increase revenue and profits. 

As far as hardware costs go, it is not like the PlayStation OS is power hungry. It actually uses 3GB of RAM, it ran on (2) 1.6GHz Jaguar cores at launch, but was reduced to (1) core in 2015. 

https://www.dualshockers.com/naughty-dog-explains-ps4s-cpu-memory-and-more-in-detail-and-how-they-can-make-them-run-really-fast/

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/218659-sony-unlocks-the-ps4s-seventh-cpu-core-but-will-games-benefit

So Sony does not even need a chip the size and cost of the PS4 Slim APU to have the OS on their TVs. Honestly, I think the best course of action would be to make the switch to their own OS when they make the move to Ryzen based soulutions. The same chip could be used for a new PS Handheld and their TVs helping reduce cost even further.

Just to complement KBG29 one of the reasons for the 3Gb of RAM on the OS is to have the share function that is constantly saving 15 min of video 

I'm included in that number... I actively watch Netflix on my PS4 between gaming sessions on my Switch and retro consoles :D