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Changing history could be argued as a "SJW agenda," but I don't care about that. It's a fantasy interpretation, so they can do whatever they want with it.

It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.



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Medisti said:
It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.

Excellently said. That's the sad thing about a lot of these (Movies, Games, Anime) Anti-SJW controversies, the motive for them is almost always stupid as fuck, but the way the creators handle is usually even worse. And really, these controversies just re-affirm the power is in the consumers hands, which is more important than ever. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Medisti said:
It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.

Excellently said. That's the sad thing about a lot of these (Movies, Games, Anime) Anti-SJW controversies, the motive for them is almost always stupid as fuck, but the way the creators handle is usually even worse. And really, these controversies just re-affirm the power is in the consumers hands, which is more important than ever. 

Pretty much. I'm all for creative freedom, even if it's something I disagree with. That's the entire point of creative medium like books, film and video games. If you say, "Well, we know some people might not like it, but this is the story we wanted to tell," you won't get any complaints from me. I might even give it a chance if the reviews suggest it's good. If you reply with antagonistic stuff like, "You must be a bigot if you don't like it," and lump all people who question you into some rude generalization, then my money can be spent somewhere else, no matter how good that product might be.



I feel like there's a big difference between "If you don't like my thing, you're sexist" and "If you don't like it, don't buy it."

I didn't like Ghostbusters '16 very much, but it had nothing to do with the female cast and everything to do with the fact I didn't laugh very often and it has the same loose "let's not script anything and just have the cast riff for an hour" style that I don't enjoy in a lot of modern comedies. Consequently, when people started talking about the sexist reaction to it, I didn't feel attacked, because I knew my reasons had nothing to do with that.



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Medisti said:
Changing history could be argued as a "SJW agenda," but I don't care about that. It's a fantasy interpretation, so they can do whatever they want with it.

It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.

On both, can you link me the actual quotes?  I'd be curious to read the context.



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It's always the "women" agenda everyone makes when making a thread, video, response about this topic. They don't like to include the fact that EA basically treated its consumer base like dead cats, to appease journalists and the 1 handed Juggernaut taking down Nazis left and right. If they labeled it as something else besides WW2, no one would care. Why don't we just add in jet packs and Gundams while were at it.



Medisti said:
Changing history could be argued as a "SJW agenda," but I don't care about that. It's a fantasy interpretation, so they can do whatever they want with it.

It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.

Well put.  All they had to do was say, "Hey, guys, we're going with a different, more fantastical take on WW2.  Like an alternate history.  We understand if some don't like that, but we hope you guys still give it a chance by trying out the demo/beta."  That would have been the end of most of it.  Instead, we get confirmation that this was a SJW-driven agenda with their response.  "Hey, this could happen, cause there were women in WW2.  You guys are stupid and are sexist pieces of shit.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  But if you don't buy it, you're confirming that you are sexist pieces of shit."



DreadPirateRoberts said:
Medisti said:
Changing history could be argued as a "SJW agenda," but I don't care about that. It's a fantasy interpretation, so they can do whatever they want with it.

It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.

On both, can you link me the actual quotes?  I'd be curious to read the context.

For the Ghostbusters, here's a good vid studying the whole mess.

If you have more time, here's an entertaining review of it that addresses it somewhat.



Medisti said:
Changing history could be argued as a "SJW agenda," but I don't care about that. It's a fantasy interpretation, so they can do whatever they want with it.

It's the, "If you don't watch it, you're a sexist" thing the Director of Ghostbusters 2016 said, or "Don't like it, don't buy it" attitude the EA guy said that rub me the wrong way and make me boycott. Don't try to guilt me into spending my money. I'm a customer, so I have no obligation to get something if I don't want to.

It is not only these but they at the same time claiming it is accurate while knowing it isn't and then saying stupid stuff to the fanbase.



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thismeintiel said:
DreadPirateRoberts said:

On both, can you link me the actual quotes?  I'd be curious to read the context.

For the Ghostbusters, here's a good vid studying the whole mess.

If you have more time, here's an entertaining review of it that addresses it somewhat.

Thanks for linking those. It's been awhile since that happened, so I wasn't sure where to check.

Here's an article on the EA thing, though: https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/397147-ea-on-battlefield-5-controversy-if-you-dont-like-it-dont-buy-it