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Forums - Politics Discussion - US Senator John McCain has died at age 81

Interesting to see that le resistance is defending him now

https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1033517218481356800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

His biggest difference to Trump was his constant push for regime change in the Middle East



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Some of these reactions are indicative of how some people think of people who oppose them politically.



He wasn’t a good person. His ideals would have made life harder for minorities, women, and the poor. He is regarded as a “maverick” but mostly toed the party line. He did help save Obamacare, so it wasn’t a complete shitshow.

Doubtful, but hope he gets replaced with someone who isn’t a piece of shit.



@sc94597 @AZWification @LiqourandGunFun @LurkerJ @LudicrousSpeed

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1033538876370046977?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

If the darling of the left who accused Ben Shapiro of cat calling for asking for a debate can be a decent person about this so can you guys. Just saying.



sc94597 said:

Couldn't have happened soon enough. Good riddance. One less neo-conservative warmonger in Congress to terrorize people around the world.

 

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Are you blind? All that countries are dictatorships, autoritharian or facist. Where is the problem here to try to bring democracy?

Iraq was bad? No it wasnt. Look at the kurdish side of iraq. Its a democracy!



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Vinther1991 said:
A lot og pacifists in this thread it seems. Guess you guys love what happened in Rwanda in the 90's.

Being against military intervention abroad =!= pacifist. I consider myself to be a Jeffersonian when it comes to foreign policy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Thomas_Jefferson#Foreign_affairs

Aeolus451 said:

@sc94597 @AZWification @LiqourandGunFun @LurkerJ @LudicrousSpeed

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1033538876370046977?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

If the darling of the left who accused Ben Shapiro of cat calling for asking for a debate can be a decent person about this so can you guys. Just saying.

Lol, she is the typical social democrat, hardly "the darling of the left." She is the darling to middle-class kids who are fine with global class exploitation and warfare so long as they get their student loans forgiven and medicare for all. 

Pagan said:
sc94597 said:

Couldn't have happened soon enough. Good riddance. One less neo-conservative warmonger in Congress to terrorize people around the world.

 

User warned - the-pi-guy

Are you blind? All that countries are dictatorships, autoritharian or facist. Where is the problem here to try to bring democracy?

Iraq was bad? No it wasnt. Look at the kurdish side of iraq. Its a democracy!

No I am not blind. I understand that Wilsonianism has been a massive failure. Only the people who live in these countries can liberate themselves. And honestly, as Emma Goldman said at her de-naturalization and deportation trial, 

"Who is the real patriot, or rather what is the kind of patriotism that we represent? The kind of patriotism we represent is the kind of patriotism which loves America with open eyes. Our relation towards America is the same as the relation of a man who loves a woman, who is enchanted by her beauty and yet who cannot be blind to her defects. And so I wish to state here, in my own behalf and in behalf of hundreds of thousands whom you decry and state to be antipatriotic, that we love America, we love her beauty, we love her riches, we love her mountains and her forests, and above all we love the people who have produced her wealth and riches, who have created all her beauty, we love the dreamers and the philosophers and the thinkers who are giving America liberty. But that must not make us blind to the social faults of America. That cannot make us deaf to the discords of America. That cannot compel us to be inarticulate to the terrible wrongs committed in the name of patriotism and in the name of the country. We simply insist, regardless of all protests to the contrary, that this war is not a war for democracy. If it were a war for the purpose of making democracy safe for the world, we would say that democracy must first be safe for America before it can be safe for the world."



sc94597 said:
Vinther1991 said:
A lot og pacifists in this thread it seems. Guess you guys love what happened in Rwanda in the 90's.

Being against military intervention abroad =!= pacifist. I consider myself to be a Jeffersonian when it comes to foreign policy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Thomas_Jefferson#Foreign_affairs

Aeolus451 said:

@sc94597 @AZWification @LiqourandGunFun @LurkerJ @LudicrousSpeed

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1033538876370046977?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

If the darling of the left who accused Ben Shapiro of cat calling for asking for a debate can be a decent person about this so can you guys. Just saying.

Lol, she is the typical social democrat, hardly "the darling of the left." She is the darling to middle-class kids who are fine with global class exploitation and warfare so long as they get their student loans forgiven and medicare for all. 

Pagan said:

Are you blind? All that countries are dictatorships, autoritharian or facist. Where is the problem here to try to bring democracy?

Iraq was bad? No it wasnt. Look at the kurdish side of iraq. Its a democracy!

No I am not blind. I understand that Wilsonianism has been a massive failure. Only the people who live in these countries can liberate themselves. And honestly, as Emma Goldman said at her de-naturalization and deportation trial, 

"Who is the real patriot, or rather what is the kind of patriotism that we represent? The kind of patriotism we represent is the kind of patriotism which loves America with open eyes. Our relation towards America is the same as the relation of a man who loves a woman, who is enchanted by her beauty and yet who cannot be blind to her defects. And so I wish to state here, in my own behalf and in behalf of hundreds of thousands whom you decry and state to be antipatriotic, that we love America, we love her beauty, we love her riches, we love her mountains and her forests, and above all we love the people who have produced her wealth and riches, who have created all her beauty, we love the dreamers and the philosophers and the thinkers who are giving America liberty. But that must not make us blind to the social faults of America. That cannot make us deaf to the discords of America. That cannot compel us to be inarticulate to the terrible wrongs committed in the name of patriotism and in the name of the country. We simply insist, regardless of all protests to the contrary, that this war is not a war for democracy. If it were a war for the purpose of making democracy safe for the world, we would say that democracy must first be safe for America before it can be safe for the world."

She's a democratic socialist and she's being heralded as the new face of the left.



Aeolus451 said:

She's a democratic socialist and she's being heralded as the new face of the left.

She calls herself a "democratic socialist" but has not said a word about worker control of the means of production, the decommodification of labor, common ownership of natural resources, the deconstruction of the neo-liberal global economic system, the abolition of rent seeking, the abolition of the bourgeois liberal-democratic state, etc. 

She's really just a social democrat who is confused by what socialism is because she thinks it means "government gives me things." 

Anyway, as an actual socialist I don't consider her "the new face of the left." Her philosophy (social democracy) has existed in American politics since the 1870's and has failed to liberate the working class. Her policies were mainstream policies in the Democratic platform as late as 1978. 
 


 




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