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Ghirahim would've been perfect. He would've been a new Zelda representative. Have no clue why they so stingy on Zelda characters.

Azuren said:
Sephiroth, but he would require his own moveset

Akuma, easy Echo Fighter for Ryu (alongside Ken)

Eggplant Wizard, but would require his own moveset

Giovanni, but would require his own moveset (could switch between Persian, Nidoqueen, and Nidoking like Pokemon Trainer)

Bass, could be an Echo Fighter for Mega Man                             

Love these suggestions especially the Giovanni one. 



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mZuzek said:
CaptainExplosion said:

In terms of playable villains in Super Smash Bros., over the years we've had Bowser, Ganondorf, Wario (he at least started as a villain), King Dedede (same situation as Wario), Ridley, Dark Samus and King K. Rool.

Don't forget Wolf.

By the way, I'm starting to get strong "heroes vs. villains" vibes from the supposed Spirits mode, I think that's the reason they're trying to bring so many in, if not as characters then at least as bosses (Dracula, Rathalos).

Hades bro, 4th wall troll who can resurrect the dead :p



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I really like the idea of Metal Sonic being Sonic's echo, but I think given Shadow has already featured as an assist, Shadow is the likelier candidate. Plus, Smash isn't just positioning this as a "heroes vs villains" idea; the title of the K Rool reveal is 'The Rivals', so Shadow featuring as Sonic's arch-rival makes sense. Personally I'd like to see Metal Sonic or Robotnik join; they might feature as bosses. Metal Sonic could easily be another assist/boss.

I love Azuren's Giovanni idea, that'd be really cool. Other interesting echoes would be Medusa for Palutena, and Black Bull for Captain Falcon. In fact, I'd really like to see both of them in the game. Akuma as an echo for Ryu would be good, but I think Ken is likelier.

Personally I think Skull Kid is a likely addition - we've not seen his assist trophy and they've added the Moon as an assist, so Skull Kid might have been promoted from assist to fighter. He'd be a rival/villain for Young Link, who should have his sword and shield from Majora's Mask as a costume option.

The thing is we were told not to expect many newcomers and I don't know if echoes are being included as 'full' newcomers, or newcomers just count as characters with new movesets. We've had Inkling, Simon Belmont, Ridley and K Rool as complete newcomers; Daisy, Richter, Chrom, and Dark Samus as 'new' echoes (Lucina, Dark Pit as 'old' echoes). We're up to 67 unique characters; 73 including echoes; 81 including the koopalings and Alph.



Hero vs Villian

Mario/Luigi/Peach/Dr Mario/Rosalina/Daisy/Yoshi vs Bowser/Koopalings (all each)/Wario/***King Boo


DK/Diddy/Dixie vs King K rool


Kirby/Bandana Dee vs Kind DDD/Metaknight


Fox/Falco vs Wolf


Samus/ZSS vs Ridley/Dark Samus


Simon/Richter vs ***Dracula/etc


Pit/Palutena vs Dark Pit/Medusa/***Hades


Sonic vs Shadow/***Dr Eggman


Pikachu/PM Trainer/Pichu/Lucario/Greninja/Jiggs vs Mewtwo/***Army of Pokemon (Rayquaza, Ditto, etc)


Ryu vs ***Akuma

 

Cloud/Geno vs ***Sephiroth

 

All Fire Emblem vs ???



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tbone51 said:

Hero vs Villian

Mario/Luigi/Peach/Dr Mario/Rosalina/Daisy/Yoshi vs Bowser/Koopalings (all each)/Wario/***King Boo
DK/Diddy/Dixie vs King K rool
Kirby/Bandana Dee vs Kind DDD/Metaknight
Fox/Falco vs Wolf
Samus/ZSS vs Ridley/Dark Samus
Simon/Richter vs ***Dracula/etc
Pit/Palutena vs Dark Pit/Medusa/***Hades
Sonic vs Shadow/***Dr Eggman
Pikachu/PM Trainer/Pichu/Lucario/Greninja/Jiggs vs Mewtwo/***Army of Pokemon (Rayquaza, Ditto, etc)
Ryu vs ***Akuma
Cloud/Geno vs ***Sephiroth

All Fire Emblem vs ???

Sakurai.



Azuren said:
Sephiroth, but he would require his own moveset

Akuma, easy Echo Fighter for Ryu (alongside Ken)

Eggplant Wizard, but would require his own moveset

Giovanni, but would require his own moveset (could switch between Persian, Nidoqueen, and Nidoking like Pokemon Trainer)

Bass, could be an Echo Fighter for Mega Man

His Final Smash would have to be his own though. Maybe turning into Super Bass (from Mega Man7 and 8) and firing all his Robot Master weapons at once. After all, Bass does love overkill.

tbone51 said:

Hero vs Villian

Mario/Luigi/Peach/Dr Mario/Rosalina/Daisy/Yoshi vs Bowser/Koopalings (all each)/Wario/***King Boo


DK/Diddy/Dixie vs King K rool


Kirby/Bandana Dee vs Kind DDD/Metaknight


Fox/Falco vs Wolf


Samus/ZSS vs Ridley/Dark Samus


Simon/Richter vs ***Dracula/etc


Pit/Palutena vs Dark Pit/Medusa/***Hades


Sonic vs Shadow/***Dr Eggman


Pikachu/PM Trainer/Pichu/Lucario/Greninja/Jiggs vs Mewtwo/***Army of Pokemon (Rayquaza, Ditto, etc)


Ryu vs ***Akuma

 

Cloud/Geno vs ***Sephiroth

 

All Fire Emblem vs ???

Mewtwo's not a villain, he's more of a difficult challenger to other Pokemon.



HandofPrometheus said:

Ghirahim would've been perfect. He would've been a new Zelda representative. Have no clue why they so stingy on Zelda characters.

Azuren said:
Sephiroth, but he would require his own moveset

Akuma, easy Echo Fighter for Ryu (alongside Ken)

Eggplant Wizard, but would require his own moveset

Giovanni, but would require his own moveset (could switch between Persian, Nidoqueen, and Nidoking like Pokemon Trainer)

Bass, could be an Echo Fighter for Mega Man                             

Love these suggestions especially the Giovanni one. 

It'd be an easy way yo shoehorn in more Pokemon fighters.



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Azuren said:
HandofPrometheus said:

Ghirahim would've been perfect. He would've been a new Zelda representative. Have no clue why they so stingy on Zelda characters.

Love these suggestions especially the Giovanni one. 

It'd be an easy way yo shoehorn in more Pokemon fighters.

Not really easy... none of this makes any sense. You can't just have a different trainer as Pokémon Trainer's echo fighter, then have 3 different Pokémon. That's not only a different character, that is 3 different characters that have to be programmed in the game lol. No, if there's a Pokémon Trainer echo fighter, then all 3 Pokémon must be similar to Ivysaur, Charizard and Squirtle.



mZuzek said:
Azuren said:

It'd be an easy way yo shoehorn in more Pokemon fighters.

Not really easy... none of this makes any sense. You can't just have a different trainer as Pokémon Trainer's echo fighter, then have 3 different Pokémon. That's not only a different character, that is 3 different characters that have to be programmed in the game lol. No, if there's a Pokémon Trainer echo fighter, then all 3 Pokémon must be similar to Ivysaur, Charizard and Squirtle.

I also said that Giovanni would require his own moveset, implying that in this case I'm not considering an echo fighter (which should have been further enforced by the fact that characters I considered for Echo Fighter are listed as Echo Fighters). The only similarity would be the three-pokemon-in-one-fighter aspect.



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