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Instagram just blocked that dude in England that was locked up for political speech. The companies taste blood in the water, they are about to go full activist and I hope they tank. Perfect time to launch alternatives.



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Chris Hu said:
Pemalite said:

I beg to differ.
There are a ton of crazies on the far left that propagate their own alternative-facts and pseudo-science, just like the far-right, they are just as bad as each other.
Best place to be is in the center where you can weigh up the argument from either side and go with what is more logical or what has more empirical evidence.

There are many arguments put forth by the far right that I fundamentally agree and disagree with... And the same holds true for the far-left, I will however not discard either stance just because they are an opponent.

I highly suggest you look up the "Horseshoe theory".

The worst you have on the left is some anti vaxxers that's about it.  Also the far left never mixes their craziness with religion but on the far right it is common that the craziest members are also religious and they mix their religion with their craziness.  That is why Alex Jones is on whole other level of crazy not only is a regular nut he is also a religious nut.

Anybody on the left who calls anybody leaning right as a bigot/Nazi/fascist are among the worst of the left. Its a big reason why democrats aren't being taken seriously by many. Its poisoning the well, you spin your opponents as the worst type of people and morons who want to be apart of cause believe it. Groups like Antifa put themselves as the moral superior by spinning all their opponents as bigots so anything they do is okay because their enemies are Nazis.

You don't need to be religious to be crazy, like the guy who shot at republican baseball game wasn't religiously motivated. Or people who've been motivated by BLM to kill police officers. Also, a lot of people on the left are religious. You've ever been around Hispanics and blacks? They're arguably just as or more religious than whites. I've seen them bitch about gays while complaining about social injustice, its kinda funny.



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MrWayne said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep, people with white guilty are funny.


what my comment was meant to say is, it's not true that the majority of the people who are disagreeing with you, or leftist/liberal white men in general, support hate against them self.

Yes it is even quite funny when you see so many people on Facebook talking bad about white, straight, male, christian, etc while either being it or having most of the family being it... but they dissociate from the hate against themselves thinking they are different, they have awaken.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Puggsly said:
Chris Hu said:

The worst you have on the left is some anti vaxxers that's about it.  Also the far left never mixes their craziness with religion but on the far right it is common that the craziest members are also religious and they mix their religion with their craziness.  That is why Alex Jones is on whole other level of crazy not only is a regular nut he is also a religious nut.

Anybody on the left who calls anybody leaning right as a bigot/Nazi/fascist are among the worst of the left. Its a big reason why democrats aren't being taken seriously by many. Its poisoning the well, you spin your opponents as the worst type of people and morons who want to be apart of cause believe it. Groups like Antifa put themselves as the moral superior by spinning all their opponents as bigots so anything they do is okay because their enemies are Nazis.

You don't need to be religious to be crazy, like the guy who shot at republican baseball game wasn't religiously motivated. Or people who've been motivated by BLM to kill police officers. Also, a lot of people on the left are religious. You've ever been around Hispanics and blacks? They're arguably just as or more religious than whites. I've seen them bitch about gays while complaining about social injustice, its kinda funny.

I didn't say you had to be religious to be crazy.  I said that if you are religious and crazy your craziness is another level of craziness.



DonFerrari said:
MrWayne said:

Your comment is funny because the majority of people who are disagreeing with you in this thread are probably white, straight, christian males.

Yep, people with white guilty are funny.

Chris Hu said:

The worst you have on the left is some anti vaxxers that's about it.  Also the far left never mixes their craziness with religion but on the far right it is common that the craziest members are also religious and they mix their religion with their craziness.  That is why Alex Jones is on whole other level of crazy not only is a regular nut he is also a religious nut.

I guess these are far right http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237217&page=1

Antifa is a fringe group and its not worse then any of the fringe groups on the right like the KKK and other hate groups.  At one point the KKK actually had substantial political power in the US especially in the deep south.  Plus they are far worse Antifa was and is.  Pretty much all the lynchings that took place in the US either was done by KKK members or was caused by KKK involvement. Also the worse case of domestic terrorism in the US the OKC bombing was done by a right winger.



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Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep, people with white guilty are funny.

I guess these are far right http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237217&page=1

Antifa is a fringe group and its not worse then any of the fringe groups on the right like the KKK and other hate groups.  At one point the KKK actually had substantial political power in the US especially in the deep south.  Plus they are far worse Antifa was and is.  Pretty much all the lynchings that took place in the US either was done by KKK members or was caused by KKK involvement. Also the worse case of domestic terrorism in the US the OKC bombing was done by a right winger.

Since you have such a hard time accepting that there are people on the left just as bad as on the right and also decided to bring thing from the past (sure let's pretend KKK didn't born from Democrats)

Communism implementation on Russia and China killed much more than the holocaust... but I guess they aren't as bad "because they aimed to end inequality"



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

i can't speak for anyone else but i do think businesses should be allowed to discriminate on whatever criteria they want, including race

i think discrimination laws, hate speech laws etc etc etc should all be thrown in the bin

for one thing, they don't actually change the views of the people they are pushed on (and there's loads of evidence that they actually make things worse)

That's interesting.

Regarding "they don't actually change the views of the people they are pushed on", I first of all have to say I like how you made it sound like I'm supposed to feel empathy  for a person who wouldn't want to serve someone food because of the color of their skin.

Secondly, no they don't change their views. They 'only' protect people from being the target of someone acting on those views.
I'm sure a jail sentences doesn't change someone's 'view' when it comes to wanting to punch me in the face for not letting them cut in line at the supermarket, but it sure is nice that it would usually deter them from doing so.

"Regarding "they don't actually change the views of the people they are pushed on", I first of all have to say I like how you made it sound like I'm supposed to feel empathy  for a person who wouldn't want to serve someone food because of the color of their skin."

that actually wasn't my point... my point was simply that they don't work

with regards to empathy the fact of the matter is that you should have empathy for others regardless of how they differ from you and understand that given the right set of circumstances you could have ended up in whatever state they are in

 

"Secondly, no they don't change their views. They 'only' protect people from being the target of someone acting on those views."

well to me that protection loses its merit depending on context

 

"I'm sure a jail sentences doesn't change someone's 'view' when it comes to wanting to punch me in the face for not letting them cut in line at the supermarket, but it sure is nice that it would usually deter them from doing so."

discrimination is not comparable to acts of aggression... everyone discriminates constantly... its how you decide what classes to pick, what girlfriend you want, where you want to live etc etc etc

all action literally involves discrimination of some kind



Alex Jones, qanon and antifa are all cancer for any country. I dont have a Problem with that.



Aeolus451 said:
 

Both the US or EU are big enough that any laws they impose on the internet will affect the world.

Any laws passed in the United States must meet US constitutional muster, regardless of what the EU does or doesn't do. And the EU is more likely to approve of social media platforms banning people like Jones than the US does. Remember, hate speech does exist under the laws of the EU.

 The constitution can be amended and new laws made.

It takes the consent of 38 states to amend the Constitution. The Northeast corridor alone (VA to ME) has enough states to ensure that this amendment never gets off the ground. Then throw in Illinois, possibly Minnesota, and at least half of the West Coast. I also think that even in Middle America, a lot of people aren't going to be okay with the idea of giving the federal government that much power to regulate speech.

And before it comes to a vote before the states, a proposed amendment either be passed in Congress by a two-thirds majority in both houses (this is not subject to the "nuclear option" as it is prescribed in Article V) or through a constitutional convention convened by at least 34 states. There's a reason why the Constitution was only amended 27 times in the country's history, and 10 of those times were three years after the Constitution itself was ratified. One of the subsequent 17 amendments was written to void a previous amendment that imposed more restrictions on freedom and turned out to be an unmitigated disaster.

The courts have been pretty consistent in striking down laws passed by the government aimed at restricting what platform owners can and can't do to regulate their operations.

I'm making an argument for freedom of speech laws to be extended to political speech on social media. The internet and social media didn't exist then but if it did, it would have been included under what's covered  with free speech especially with political speech. 

Free speech as defined in the United States Constitution applies ONLY to free speech restrictions imposed to the government. Private owners are free to impose their own restrictions and are not subject to the First Amendment You can dress up in Klan robes and wave the Stars and Bars in the city park, but you damn sure can't do it on my property. On private property, you have no right to free speech, and I can ask you to leave at any time. Refusal to leave on your part when told exposes you to criminal charges. In cyberspace, servers paid for and owned by a platform are the private property of the owner, and they can decide who does and doesn't get to use them. The courts have generally sided with private individuals over the government. True free speech (i.e. government) issues aside, the courts will be loath to make any rulings that interfere with property rights or the rights of employers to regulate their workplaces internally through rules of conduct. Even previously assumed restrictions on free speech, like obscenity and fighting words, have been weakened as the Courts find that those laws fail to pass Constitutional muster. The Comstock Laws, for instance, fell like dominoes once they were challenged in the courts. The only reason they stood so long was because few people were willing to challenge them.

The courts have also ruled that the FCC has no authority over the Internet.

So we have free speech on the Internet. Free speech under US law not the right to say what you want on a platform that is neither your property nor the government's without repercussions imposed by the entity that owns the platform.  It is the right to say what you want without being arrested or having your property confiscated by the government. Nothing less... but nothing more. A private individual restricting what is said on his property is not subject to state action.

The first amendment was created because we believe in freedom of speech as a principal and any laws created to protect it should be adapted to what's happening in the present.

The 1A protects freedom of speech by tying the government's hands. It doesn't give you a right to commandeer someone else's platform for your free speech. As far as the Constitution is concerned, giving a speech in a park or from your own home without being arrested is the definition of freedom of speech. The founders were strong proponents of property rights... and strong opponents of government regulation of speech, though they weren't always consistent on that.

Alot of businesses were regulated because they became integral to society. It has nothing to do with a monopoly in the way you mean that. They are important in how we communicate with everyone worldwide and recreating another social media that widely used or big is near impossible.

Business regulations are still subject to the Constitution. If the Constitution says the government may not regulate something, the government may not regulate something.  Regulating FB or Youtube as a utility gives the government control over what is said or not said on those platforms, and that is strongly forbidden by the First Amendment. Government-forced free speech is not free speech.

It will be much easier to create a competitive market alternative to FB, Youtube, or Apple than it will be to get 38 states to pass an amendment that empowers the government to forcibly regulate Facebook's right to govern its property, especially since FB is so strongly protected by the 1A.

I disagree with you on everything.

You're welcome to do so, of course, but your disagreement or agreement does not change the facts of the situation.

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alex jones for all his flaws has been right about a lot of things