Wyrdness said:
DonFerrari said:
sure not cut edge doesn't equate poor but also doesn't scream 60 usd.
you assume to much and the claim back pedalling. quote me saying the cont is good or bad and then you can try and claim back pedaling. still something costing more to make generally justifies a higher price.
the argument is the OP so if you want to deviate from that and say you only want to discuss the premise someone else made fine, but that have nothing to do with language barrier. But please make me shake in fear of your excellent arguments. Seems like ypu quickly forgot your confusion between tool and material.
The thread is to discuss what was put by OP so if you don't want to discuss what he put the you are derailing and being of topic... besides being condescending. I have already replied OP.
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Yet good story, gameplay, content etc.. does. You earlier:
"And just to make something very clear to you, 100h of content that aren't as good as 30h of another doesn't make it same value."
This is you trying to play down the content's quality earlier and now you're claiming you never questioned quality, costing more doesn't justify having a higher price value does this is why X1 had issues selling early on because the was cheaper made product that delivered better value to the point the more expensive product had to have price cuts to match.
I didn't deviate from anything cut the BS I responded to someone who tried saying that the budget in development determines the value as their reasoning at which point you tried to dance your way in and got dismantled now here you are trying to shift the argument to make it look like you had a point when in actual case you had sod all to add to it. Guess what people can respond to others in related branches of debate only one derailing is you with your continued nonsense because my original post was still part of the topic unlike you here.
I'll tell you this right here don't respond to me with your nonsense ever if you can't accept the rebuttals that come your way because I'll shut it down over and over and don't ever try to act high and mighty when earlier you tried to become personal because I can already see you're one to try and start something then crumble when things become too hot for you to handle. I'm not here to sugar coat responses to replies when they're type you've been bringing remember that next time you want to try your hand at being a commando.
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No that is you that accuses me of not being good in English failing at logic, nowhere in that sentence I say that is the case of Octopath. The argument is over content being what justifies price (or in this case more precisely lenght). Plethora of content that isn't very good doesn't overvalue small content of exceptional quality. You again ASSUMED it was saying Octopath content is bad (which you then tried to put in my mouth, and when I said I didn't say it, you put in my mouth that I agreed or said the content was good).
X1 was seem as lower value to the people that preffered PS4, does that mean it values lower? Not to the people that bought it first (and in USA they have been very close for the whole gen). So?
Drop off of your very high horse.
And UE4 being used is a toll not an asset, so using UE4 doesn't make a game meet the standard production value of this gen, it just make it uses the average tool. I would bet there are a lot of low quality Indies using UE4 that would look and play a lot worse than games made on perhaps even UE2.
Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:
And wouldn't you also be limiting yourself by not playing games with 8h because it would cost 60?
If duration equate value or price then GT5 should have retailed for 1000 usd
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I played The Order 1886 and enjoyed it when it first came out. I am just taking the perspective of the general masses at the time and using it to counter a point on the other end of the spectrum.
When a game like The Order comes out and people say, "visuals are great and the gunplay is great, but it can be beaten in 6 hours so it should cost 20-30 bucks" with many of them pulling a 180 years later with an game like Octopath and say, "The visuals are too primitive so it should only cost 40 bucks despite having around 100 hours of enjoyable gameplay (if you like JRPGs), solid gameplay mechanics, and interesting plotlines," it just does not make sense to me. I was simply making a point, not expressing my own feeling towards shorter games. I am with you, it would be limiting. That is why I play both.
To me, one aspect can balance another. Of a game is enjoyable and is a technical feat for its time, the 60 is fine. If a game has low production cost but offers more content than many other games for the same price, 60 is also fine. It is not one way or the other, they are interchangeable.
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Yes sure, a lot of people though it being less than 12h didn't justify the price (I myself didn't pay it, borrowed, and probably wouldn't even though for me the game was very high quality I couldn't justify the price).
It probably aren't the same people that said both sentences, unless you can quote and source them. But you are just missing that both cases can very well be true for the same person without being hypocrise. A game is made of it full package. So if it is to short or production values is to low (for the person) a lot of people will say it doesn't justify it's price. I see no issue on that.
You may need only one side being sufficient to justify, most would rather have all.
Farsala said:
Shaunodon said:
Well it's documented now that Square heavily underestimated how sought after Octopath would be, which is why they're having stock issues. If they could go back they'd probably have priced it higher along with more stock. $60 hasn't stopped it from selling out in the US either, so I'm not sure why this should be relevant.
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I don't really care about SE's expectations, they are usually wrong.
I personally prefer price variety. If games like CoD go up in price while JRPGs go down in price I would be happy, because then CoD buyers pay more and JRPG buyers like me pay less.
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Can't totally disagree that I would like the games I love to cost 10 while the Fifas and CoDs cost 100.
