Miyamotoo said:
And you are on quite opposite of Switch hype train, difference is that he is analyst while you are not. :D |
Michael Pachter is also an analyst. That don't count for much.

Miyamotoo said:
And you are on quite opposite of Switch hype train, difference is that he is analyst while you are not. :D |
Michael Pachter is also an analyst. That don't count for much.

thismeintiel said:
My guess is they are underestimating it, again. I'm sure the PS4 will do better than their projections. |
But that dont change point they have lower expectations for this year's sales because they probably dont want to make permanent price cut.
quickrick said:
Because ps4, and xbox aren't comparable to switch, they are home consoles with strong third party. Nintendo home consoles are usually are failures, and the handheld market sales was in a major decline lastgen, so i just believe nintendo by itself in today market won't have sustainable sales to be anywhere near ps4. |
How exactly point that PS4 and Xbox are not comparable to Switch make you be constantly negative about Switch sales and potential?
"Nintendo home consoles are usually failures"!? In what world? NES, SNES, Wii are sussccfule consoles, GC and Wii U are failures, N64 is not success but its not failure also, so how exatly Nintendo home consoles are usually failures?
Also from start was obvious that Switch has much more common things with Wii, it wasnt normal home console and normal handheld, but that didnt stop you being negative, even when was obvious that Switch will be success and was selling great, you said that Switch sales will fail of a cliff after holiday season. Just to remember you, Switch is still selling similar to PS4 in same time period and like you wrote "by itself on market" (even thats not true if you look at Switch list of games), maybe Switch will be near PS4 sales and even suprise at end, who knows, but point is that Switch is selling very good and that will be very successful in any case, and regardless PS4 you don't have any reason to be constantly negative and low expectations only about Switch, for instance Switch is selling from launch around 2x stronger than XB1 but you realty comment XB1 while you are obsessed with Switch.
At end, you can make excuses for your behavior much you want, but reality is that you dont like Nintendo and Switch and you constantly hope Switch HW and SW sales will be lowest possible and thats why you constantly have only toward negatives and low expectations only about Switch. And again, "Switch sales will fail of a cliff after holiday season" was clearly wishful thinking without any logical reason to backup such a claim.
Miyamotoo said:
But that dont change point they have lower expectations for this year's sales because they probably dont want to make permanent price cut.
How exactly point that PS4 and Xbox are not comparable to Switch make you be constantly negative about Switch sales and potential? "Nintendo home consoles are usually failures"!? In what world? NES, SNES, Wii are sussccfule consoles, GC and Wii U are failures, N64 is not success but its not failure also, so how exatly Nintendo home consoles are usually failures? Also from start was obvious that Switch has much more common things with Wii, it wasnt normal home console and normal handheld, but that didnt stop you being negative, even when was obvious that Switch will be success and was selling great, you said that Switch sales will fail of a cliff after holiday season. Just to remember you, Switch is still selling similar to PS4 in same time period and like you wrote "by itself on market" (even thats not true if you look at Switch list of games), maybe Switch will be near PS4 sales and even suprise at end, who knows, but point is that Switch is selling very good and that will be very successful in any case, and regardless PS4 you don't have any reason to be constantly negative and low expectations only about Switch, for instance Switch is selling from launch around 2x stronger than XB1 but you realty comment XB1 while you are obsessed with Switch. At end, you can make excuses for your behavior much you want, but reality is that you dont like Nintendo and Switch and you constantly hope Switch HW and SW sales will be lowest possible and thats why you constantly have only toward negatives and low expectations only about Switch. And again, "Switch sales will fail of a cliff after holiday season" was clearly wishful thinking without any logical reason to backup such a claim. |
Everyone knows what xbox one is gonna sell, whats' the point of talking about it? The system only sells well in the US, and every one know it's gonna finish in last place at around 45-55 million.
As for nintendo consoles usually failing, well i meant in the 3D era when it had sony as competition, thats when home sales sales grew into a new level. going back to 2d consoles nintendo was king, but that's a different era.
When i said switch sales would fall of a cliff. I did think sales will go down, in the US in europe, and expected japan to pick up the slack, and it would finish flat for the year, it was also to counter people saying switch would destroy ps4 sales. the hyperbole was annoying, the thing hasn't been out for a year, and all you heard was switch will sell 150 million, will ps5, xb go hybrid. I love gaming now cause of switch, switch has got me back into gaming. I probably dislike the fans way more because of ridiculous hyperbole, but its nothing against nintendo. As for switch selling like ps4, it's really not, switch is falling behind, and most likely over tracked by a good amount.
quickrick said:
Everyone knows what xbox one is gonna sell, whats' the point of talking about it? The system only sells well in the US, and every one know it's gonna finish in last place at around 45-55 million. As for nintendo consoles usually failing, well i meant in the 3D era when it had sony as competition, thats when home sales sales grew into a new level. going back to 2d consoles nintendo was king, but that's a different era. When i said switch sales would fall of a cliff. I did think sales will go down, in the US in europe, and expected japan to pick up the slack, and it would finish flat for the year, it was also to counter people saying switch would destroy ps4 sales. the hyperbole was annoying, the thing hasn't been out for a year, and all you heard was switch will sell 150 million, will ps5, xb go hybrid. I love gaming now cause of switch, switch has got me back into gaming. I probably dislike the fans way more because of ridiculous hyperbole, but its nothing against nintendo. As for switch selling like ps4, it's really not, switch is falling behind, and most likely over tracked by a good amount. |
It will fall behind the ps4, and then it will pick back up the lead once December is over, then it will lose it again in three months. As long as momentum continues, this cycle will for a while
quickrick said:
Analysts get things wrong all the time, he expected switch to dominate ps4 since the beginning of 2018. |
"Professionals don't know what they are talking about. I do, because....."
quickrick said:
Everyone knows what xbox one is gonna sell, whats' the point of talking about it? The system only sells well in the US, and every one know it's gonna finish in last place at around 45-55 million. As for nintendo consoles usually failing, well i meant in the 3D era when it had sony as competition, thats when home sales sales grew into a new level. going back to 2d consoles nintendo was king, but that's a different era. When i said switch sales would fall of a cliff. I did think sales will go down, in the US in europe, and expected japan to pick up the slack, and it would finish flat for the year, it was also to counter people saying switch would destroy ps4 sales. the hyperbole was annoying, the thing hasn't been out for a year, and all you heard was switch will sell 150 million, will ps5, xb go hybrid. I love gaming now cause of switch, switch has got me back into gaming. I probably dislike the fans way more because of ridiculous hyperbole, but its nothing against nintendo. As for switch selling like ps4, it's really not, switch is falling behind, and most likely over tracked by a good amount. |
But for quite time now everyone knows that Switch is selling and it will keep selling and actuly around double than XB1 and similar to PS4 in same time period, so whats a point talking about Switch!? :D
You didnt wrote what you meant, you wrote just home consoles and now you sound like you moving goal post.
When someone says "sales will fail of a cliff" everything is very clear and that doesnt mean flat sales, you thought after holiday season sales will be much worse than they were in 2017. and that Switch sales generally will be worse in 2018. compared to 2017. You again fail to see that here you are one that makes most hyperbole when comes to Switch potential and sales. When we talking about official numbers, Switch is selling similar to PS4 in same time period (second year on market), for instance you have NPD and Japan numbers how PS4 was selling in second year and how Switch now is selling in second year.
Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 11 July 2018Lets Go pokemon and Smash will skyrockets Switch sales, however the PS4 has been winning NPD most of the year thus far. It could go either way to be honest, but it will be a close run.
Had the Switch had stronger offerings SW wise throughout the year, I feel it would have won. But as weak as it was, it still was not as bad as people make it out to be.
Miyamotoo said:
But for quite time now everyone knows that Switch is selling and it will keep selling and actuly around double than XB1 and similar to PS4 in same time period, so whats a point talking about Switch!? :D You didnt wrote what you meant, you wrote just home consoles and now you sound like you moving goal post. When someone says "sales will fail of a cliff" everything is very clear and that doesnt mean flat sales, you thought after holiday season sales will be much worse than they were in 2017. and that Switch sales generally will be worse in 2018. compared to 2017. You again fail to see that here you are one that makes most hyperbole when comes to Switch potential and sales. When we talking about official numbers, Switch is selling similar to PS4 in same time period (second year on market), for instance you have NPD and Japan numbers how PS4 was selling in second year and how Switch now is selling in second year. |
Switch is different, it's at this point it's selling exactly around the same as 3ds but with out a price drop, but it's has a much better lineup, who to say it won't lose momentum, it's already selling less this year in the US. Nintedo is expecting a weaker Q1 then 2017, AND in 2017 stock was a huge problem, if they had stock we would be looking at a huge decline in Q1.
As for the falling off the cliff 7 months ago, get over that you're are beating a dead horse, to fit your agenda with me. it's already been explained to many times.
Last edited by quickrick - on 11 July 2018| Chorlin said: Im new here, but im starting to notice certain user is a little obsessed with the Switch failing. |
You shouldn't care a lot about that. Mosts users on forums (in general, not a particular userbase) don't know about reality and confuse their desires as that.
The important thing to get from this thread is that some NPD analyst with info that we don't have is believing Switch is going to have a good performance this year and maybe come in top.
Whetever users says is irrelevant.
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