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Ugh, on one side we have unreasonable posts exaggerating how bad it is, "I heard it comes with special glasses" wow, great post. On the other it's the overly defensive crowd throwing "handheld" around, even though everyone is talking about docked performance, rip "hybrid" it's apparently been relegated to just a handheld to defend its power.

The worst from both sides are here, this thread has turned to crap.



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JRPGfan said:

Its impressive it runs this at all.... but damn it looks like a blurry mess compaired to the xbox version.
I get that its cool you can play it handheld mode, but you give up soooooooo much visual quality to get that.

 

"this might be the lowest resolution game of the generation so far.." - DF.

Docked = 360p (lowest) - 720p (highest)  (avg somewhere between)
Portable = 360p -  432p

30 fps instead of the 60fps of the PS4/XB1.

"when playing the game docked mode, I did find the game to be exceptionally blurry.."
"texture quality is paired back significantly compaired to other versions of the game"   (its 21gigs instead of 54 on the Switch)

He notes he doesnt really like playing this game docked, because of how blurry it is, but that its better played in handheld mode.
He also mentions if you buy this "physically" you still need to download a large portion of the game, to play it.

Nice cherrypicking here.



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Helloplite said:
John2290 said:
Just got hands on with this. 30 fps my arse. 15 fps more like

Where did you get your 'hands on' with this? Are Digital Foundry liars? It seems to hover around the 24-30 FPS mark, the vast majority of the time. It is clearly evident that the Switch should not even be able to run this game. That it does must certainly be impressive. 

Impressive...haha. not even close. Its a slideshow even docked but handheld its closer to 15 fps than any game I've seen this gen. What I mean is its so noticeable it effect gameplay and MHW doesn't have a fucking chance...not even close. Docked or not.



 

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Helloplite said:
Azuren said:

This just in: a handheld from 2017 has better performance than a handheld from 2011.

Thank you for making my point for me. Just as it is unrealistic to compare the Vita to the Switch, so should it be to compare current gen consoles with the Switch. My point is precisely that we should not be drawn into ridiculous comparisons. Read my previous posts for further context.

The problem is Switch is a direct competitor with PS4 and Xbox One. So when it's running the same game, comparisons will be made. 

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According to gamespot, not very playable in portable. Frame rate issues.



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Barkley said:
Ugh, on one side we have unreasonable posts exaggerating how bad it is, "I heard it comes with special glasses" wow, great post. On the other it's the overly defensive crowd throwing "handheld" around, even though everyone is talking about docked performance, rip "hybrid" it's apparently been relegated to just a handheld to defend its power.

The worst from both sides are here, this thread has turned to crap.

Try it. 15 minutes and you'll realize how bad it actually is even if your a console gamer. Its is beyond terrible. I can't believe Bethesda would allow this and to that matter bethesda games can usually run on toasters. This is way. Way. Below even their standards.



 

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John2290 said:
Helloplite said:

Where did you get your 'hands on' with this? Are Digital Foundry liars? It seems to hover around the 24-30 FPS mark, the vast majority of the time. It is clearly evident that the Switch should not even be able to run this game. That it does must certainly be impressive. 

Impressive...haha. not even close. Its a slideshow even docked but handheld its closer to 15 fps than any game I've seen this gen. What I mean is its so noticeable it effect gameplay and MHW doesn't have a fucking chance...not even close. Docked or not.

I don't expect MHW on the Switch. When it was first announced, I did not expect current gen games period. I felt that at best it would be able to get some of the games from last-gen. If you are not impressed that a measly Tegra can do this, then nothing should be impressing you here on. I personally do not have a Switch, nor do I plan to buy one any time soon (I am happy with my PS4 Pro at the moment, and I do not game on the go), but if someone told me that a system running 3+ year old tablet tech will be able to run a game like this I would laugh at their face. Notice how the vast majority of current iPhone X games, which technically run on a platform far superior to the Switch, have comparably worse graphics on the whole. Same goes for any games running on the new Snapdragon 845 platform. Yes, these games are unoptimized for the most part, and that explains the disparity, but still -- this is a Tegra X1 running Wolfenstein II. Can we get realistic now?

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For me, it looks like it is only playable on handheld mode. It wouldn't look good on my 60" 4k tv.



Barkley said:
Ugh, on one side we have unreasonable posts exaggerating how bad it is, "I heard it comes with special glasses" wow, great post. On the other it's the overly defensive crowd throwing "handheld" around, even though everyone is talking about docked performance, rip "hybrid" it's apparently been relegated to just a handheld to defend its power.

The worst from both sides are here, this thread has turned to crap.

Huh? I have always said that the Switch should be considered a handheld. Because it is. Several mobile devices now feature HDMI out, either directly or through USB Type-C. Are the Huawei P20 Pro, or the Galaxy S8 and S9 also hybrid devices, merely because they can output on a TV? There were Android tablets with HDMI-mini out since early 2011. I never bought Nintendo's marketing ploy to present this as a "hybrid" device -- whatever that means. If the dock itself had extra hardware then yeah, but right now? No. We can play Nintendo's game and call this thing a hybrid, but its internals reveal its true identity. It's a 3 year old tablet that can somehow run games running on current gen systems.

To the other poster: You are right, that in a sense since it runs the same games we must compare it to these systems. But in this comparison, the stakes will always be unfairly against the Switch. Can the other systems be played on the go? If we do these comparisons only based on selective criteria, we will come to predetermined outcomes that are hypocritical and biased. I will not respond any further. I believe I have made my point clear. I do not have a Switch, and I do not plan to buy one any time soon (waiting for Metroid Prime 4).



Barkley said:
Ugh, on one side we have unreasonable posts exaggerating how bad it is, "I heard it comes with special glasses" wow, great post. On the other it's the overly defensive crowd throwing "handheld" around, even though everyone is talking about docked performance, rip "hybrid" it's apparently been relegated to just a handheld to defend its power.

The worst from both sides are here, this thread has turned to crap.

Forget the terminology (handheld, hybrid, home console, etc.), and let's look at the actual hardware. 

Should we reasonably expect the tegra in the switch to perform better than we're seeing here? If no, then your criticism of people 'defending' the games performance is unwarranted.