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Shadow1980 said:

Well, we're screwed. The Religious Right and Wall Street both had their greatest wet dream come true. Say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, and everything else from the New Deal and the Great Society. Say goodbye to any meaningful corporate regulations. Oh, and we can forget about any meaningful attempts to fight gerrymandering. And the likelihood that Roe, Obergefell, and other decisions that right-wingers have been chomping at the bit to overturn will actually get overturned just went way up. Kennedy just handed this country over to the fascists for a generation.

I hope all you "Bernie or Bust" and "Hillary isn't a real progressive" types that sat at home on election day or voted for Stein or Johnson are fucking happy. Also, God damn the GOP for giving Obama a big "fuck you" on the Merrick Garland nomination.

Good grief. It's not the end. It's not like Republicans will stop legislating and eat cocktail dinners with lobbyists till the end of time while conservative lawyers sue away everything good the government ever did while a Republican supreme court rubber stamps it all. That's not what the supreme court does. It does mean that if Republicans pass something unconstitutional that suing against it will probably do nothing. The greater danger is to abortion and gay marriage. I guess we'll see if women actually value their right to abortion as much as they say they do, because if they do, they'll fucking turn out to vote, particularly the young ones whom that affects all the more. As for gay marriage, we'll see if the country really did move on and 2/3 of the country supports it after all of if most of that was people saying they did because history seemed to be moving that way and they didn't want to look like homophobes. Because if it does matter to them, they'll fucking come out to vote.

Meanwhile, fuck Kennedy. He will be remembered fondly by no one. Conservatives will hate him for being pro Obamacare, pro gay marriage, and a few other things, while liberals will hate him for handing America to the fascists. He won't even leave behind a legacy for anyone to admire, because in the long run, everything he ever did that mattered will be overturned by his replacement, and all his disastrous decisions like Citizens United will be overturned eventually by a later court. He will be a footnote in history, notable only for the fact that for a brief period he was a swing vote. He did nothing historic that will last.

And you can take that Bernie blaming and shove it. I was involved with that movement pretty deeply, knocked on doors, made phone calls, donated hundreds I didn't have, all because I believed in the guy, only to find out that he had the nomination stolen from him by a corrupt DNC, with Hillary's nod of approval. And I STILL voted for the bitch, because I recognized Trump for the fascist he was. Not only that, but I personally made sure that three other people voted. And I live in one of the swing states she took for granted and lost, and I saw what was coming. We all did in the Bernie camp. We said for months that Bernie was the stronger candidate, but you've all gaslighted yourselves into believing that she was the strongest chance you had and that Trump was just that good. Almost anyone other than her could have beat him. But let's be perfectly clear, that bullshit that we all just stayed home or voted Jill Stein is a fucking myth that does nothing but divide us, so stop repeating that crap. I knew dozens of Bernie supporters, and worked alongside them in the campaign. We were all heartbroken that he lost, fed up with the corrupt DNC, and wanted a third option. But in the end, every single one of us voted for her and brought others to vote for her, because we recognized that this wasn't about choosing between the lesser of two evils, this was about protecting the republic from a fascist demise.

Now stop with the divisive myths, stop with the doomsaying and negativity, we are not doomed, nothing is over yet. There is no time for you to mope and cry apocalypse. Stay involved. Call your congressmen, particularly the Democratic ones, and encourage them to stand strong on this. With McCain still out and Flake still committing to not confirm Trump's judges until he stops with the trade wars, there's a real chance that we can hold this off until the midterm. Trump will probably hold off anyway to boost midterm turnout. So long as not a single cowardly Democrat senator backs down, it's a real possibility, so call them to encourage their cowardly asses to do the right thing. We can take back the senate. It's a possibility if you step up and donate, phone bank, and canvass for vulnerable senators and for Democrat challengers in NV, AZ, TN, and TX. If we do, that's game over for Trump's justice system sabotage. Even if he does confirm some Koch brother asshole, don't give up. 2020 is coming, and with it the chance to take back 2 branches of government. That was enough for FDR, it'll be enough for us.



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coolbeans said:

Sheesh...the amount of hot takes paralleling Kennedy's likely-constitutionalism-minded replacement to the rise of fascism in America could quite literally be the most fascinating bout of insanity by The Left yet.  

EDIT: Ah...but how quickly I forget about the MS-13 incident.

Exactly lol! It’s not conservative or liberal, left or right. The judges that would be considered “originalists” are the far right fascists? Compared to who lmao?! The justices who completely ignore the constitution are the moderate center now apparently..



Let's play a game of "Who Said That?"

For $500, here is your first quote:

"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.  So I think on that one I trump you."

Was it A) President Donald Trump, or B) President Barack Obama?



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NightDragon83 said:

Let's play a game of "Who Said That?"

For $500, here is your first quote:

"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.  So I think on that one I trump you."

Was it A) President Donald Trump, or B) President Barack Obama?

I just got a funny mental image of Trump walking around the White House and whispering "you just got Trumped" into his frustrated cabinet member's ears every time he does something wacky. 



This is frightening because there is a chance that Trump will appoint someone either unqualified or ultra-conservative.

Having the Supreme Court be a battle ground for bi-partisan politics is one of the U.S. system's failures.



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Isn't something horribly wrong when you can perfectly align supposed impartial judges to political camps and then perfectly predict their vote on important issues? Why even have judges when you can just take their vote out of their favorite party's manifesto.



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NightlyPoe said:
Conejo said:
This is frightening because there is a chance that Trump will appoint someone either unqualified or ultra-conservative.

Having the Supreme Court be a battle ground for bi-partisan politics is one of the U.S. system's failures.

Trump's got his list, and pretty much all of them are qualified.  The person he chooses will most likely have sterling credentials.

I agree that having the Supreme Court be a battleground for politics is a huge failure.  But I blame one ideological camp for that, liberals.  They long ago decided that the law isn't important and that rulings should be based on who they morally think should win.  They have set up a super-legislature.  The reason that the Federalist Society was born was a direct allergic reaction to such an unprincipled and dangerous abuse of our least democratic and supposedly neutral branch of government.

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There's a lot to unpack in this. First of all you need to elaborate on why you blame specifically liberals for the politicization the Supreme Court. There's been a literalism vs contextualism debate essentially since the Constitution was drafted, and each side essentially translates to conservatives vs liberals. They have been fighting for sway in the Supreme Court since I don't even know how long. 

Plus to say that liberals deem that "the law isn't important" is fairly inaccurate, and honestly charged with bias.  To place the blame entirely on one camp is part of the issue. 

As it stands, I do not agree that all of Trump's candidates have great credentials, and I certainly wouldn't even agree that many measure up to the position. Mike Lee for example is a Utah Republic Senator who has never even served as a judge. He is also a person who is know to be committed to his conservative principles. This does not seem unbiased to me. 

Again, the entire American system and the divide between liberal and conservative in the country is simply backwards. Trump can and probably will elect a very conservative judge and turn this Supreme Court to the most Conservative in recent American history. This is also in light that Conservative judges have already had the number advantage for the last half century. It would be equally wrong if it was this liberal dominated.

Not to mention that laws by definition are to uphold what is morally right in society. If we were to begin a discussion on this though it would involve a lot of unpacking of premises that is simply too time-consuming. 



Hold on tight my American friends you are about to take a hard right turn. I just wished that parties first priority isn't undoing everything the last one did, instead of how new policy going forward can improve where we are today. I am not talking budget cuts but it is very obvious that Trump is looking at reversing Roe vs Wade and fundamentally changing America. Make no mistake about it this, this is not entirely the fault of Trump it was Nevada Harry Reed who first changed the rules for the nuclear option to give away the 60 vote threshold so this is where it is right now. To be honest with you, if it came to my decision I would rather stand with the world then stand with America at this point and this has nothing to do with the American people only American policy from President Trump.



NightlyPoe said: Now, such low-hanging fruit is generally gone.  Any "progress" liberals want to make in the courts is on a scaffold of increasingly shaking reasoning and nonsense like empathy standards.  Go back and watch the presidential debates where Clinton and Obama address the Supreme Court nominees they would send up.  Fidelity to the law as it is written is rarely mentioned if at all.  It's a place to win.

The problem is that the conservative justices make equally idiotic decisions based on shaky reasoning. I mean, I agree that the abortion ruling is a total strech, and I'm generally pro-abortion. But take a look at these moronic rights destroying rulings... 

Texas Racial Gerrymandering

I shouldn't even have to explain this one. 

Yellow Dog Contracts

Back in the early 1900's, when you got a job your employer made you sign a contract to give up all your legal rights. It basically lowered you to the level of a yellow dog. In the 30's laws were passed to make these contracts illegal. Modern law offers something called arbitration, where you and another party agree to have a dispute settled, not by a judge, but by a third party. Many modern employers force you to sign an arbitration clause. Once both sides have signed an arbitration clause a dispute cannot legally enter court. This way long, unneeded court battles won't ensue, because arbitration is infinitely faster. It's better for both parties. But now, many employers include a clause in their arbitration contracts that say something like "You must pay a fee of $10,000 for any arbitration." So if your employer decides to stiff you on $5,000 of overtime pay, you legally can't get the money back without first paying $10,000 for arbitration. And so arbitration contracts have legally become the same as yellow dog contracts. This of course is a clear violation of laws written in the 30's, and illegal. But the current supreme court has ruled otherwise. 

Discrimination based on country of origin. 

During WW2, we threw all of our Japanese citizens into camps, under B.S. national security reasoning. This of course was illegal, and was ruled illegal decades later. The Supreme court just ruled that Trump's travel ban is legal. Nevermind that the reasoning for Trump's travel ban of majority Muslim countries is using the same B.S. national security logic. 

If you don't believe me, read the dissenting opinions, and majority opinions of these rulings. Any idiot can see that the current Supreme Court is a Kangaroo court, just as much as the court that ruled in favor of abortion based on shaky "Freedom of Search and Siezure" grounds. Just as much as any court that would have ignored people's Right to Bear Arms, based on shaky reasoning. 

Prediction: The Supreme court will rule that there's no such thing as separation between court and state in the next ten years. Even though it is clearly written in the constitution that there is, and any moron can see it. 



Early 1900s and WW2?! I can name cases from yesterday where Leftist SCOTUS and federal judges completely ignored the law. They are a joke. The Supreme Court ruled that some wanker federal judge in Hawaii can’t infringe on the constitutional authority of the president. What a fascist bench lol. And the leftist judges on the SCOTUS agreed with the Hawaiian judge lmao. They are useless, “social justice” isn’t law.

 

 

also, if you meant “separation of church and state”, it’s nowhete in the constitution. That’s some random quote from Thomas jefferson lol. So no, it’s clearly not “where any moron can read” and that prediction is silly and over dramatic.

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