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Hyper_Upgrade said:

I'm not looking to gain anything from it, I'm just saying it because of the disturbing similarities between Trump and Hitler. He's even stealing people's children and locking them up in what amount to concentration camps, all while letting his fellow rich scumbags profit off the suffering of the occupants.

Besides, demonizing Trump isn't very hard anymore, since he's repeatedly shown how much like Hitler he actually is. Not to mention how his "presidency" is making a mockery of values the American people hold dear. It's no coincidence that America's most notable problems (gun violence, racial tensions and foreign relations issues) have worsened under Trump.

Actually no, if you want to get specific, this more correlates to FDR and the internment of the Japanese. Even that is not wholly the case because the Japanese had a legal right to live here. 

Racial tensions actually started dipping in 2015 which was long before Trump announced his candidacy. Foreign relations are subjunctive, but with the exception of Russia I have been incredibly pleased with his handling of foreign leaders. (NK, China, EU, Canada, Mexico). Autocratic governments also like to ban guns, so I'm not sure what you are getting at with this one.

In 1938 Hitler passed the German Weapons Act, which only applied to the new qualified “citizen”. Under this law, which applied to all guns and ammunition, it was specifically prohibited for Jews to hold, manufacture, or deal in firearms or ammunition, while making it easier for those in the Nazi regime to acquire and transfer rifles, shotguns, and ammunition.  Source

Still doesn't excuse Trump kidnapping migrant children and restricting immigration to the point where America is becoming isolated.



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You really should just ignore her. But seeing post below, I'm just happy to see that Rosie O'Donnell finally moved to Canada like she said she was going to. Let her fume up there. Maybe it will warm up the place.

You are probably right and I'll stop, but it still makes me sad to think how words are getting thrown out with no regard. Correctly used, arguments and discussion can be used to solve issues and understand others, not diminish them. 



Hyper_Upgrade said:

You really should just ignore her. But seeing post below, I'm just happy to see that Rosie O'Donnell finally moved to Canada like she said she was going to. Let her fume up there. Maybe it will warm up the place.

You are probably right and I'll stop, but it still makes me sad to think how words are getting thrown out with no regard. Correctly used, arguments and discussion can be used to solve issues and understand others, not diminish them. 

I hope you realize that I'm a man, AND from Canada.



CaptainExplosion said:
Hyper_Upgrade said:

I understand that you abhor him with all your being and you've made your point clear in other posts as well. 

My question is what do you hope to gain by going there? It is a lazy argument that lacks historical context, it will not convince someone who voted for Trump that they made a mistake by demonizing him, and it belittles the seriousness of the actual conversation this OP is trying to have. Immigration has more nuance than the racists vs open borders fringes. 

I don't care if you hate Trump or me for voting for him, but you are doing a disservice to your own cause. Argue the merits (or lack of) of his ideas. Not the man himself lest you fall under his trap. Trump specifically and intentionally says outrageous things to get an overreaction from the other side. 

 

I'm not looking to gain anything from it, I'm just saying it because of the disturbing similarities between Trump and Hitler. He's even stealing people's children and locking them up in what amount to concentration camps, all while letting his fellow rich scumbags profit off the suffering of the occupants.

Besides, demonizing Trump isn't very hard anymore, since he's repeatedly shown how much like Hitler he actually is. Not to mention how his "presidency" is making a mockery of values the American people hold dear. It's no coincidence that America's most notable problems (gun violence, racial tensions and foreign relations issues) have worsened under Trump.

Are you non-ironically comparing Hitler's death camps where innocent people were starved, brutally tortured, experimented upon, and gassed to death, to the HHS facilities for children whose parents are facing criminal charges for breaking the law? In contrast to Hitler's camps, where children had their heads shaved, teeth pulled out, and were starved for months, wallowing in their own excrement, the HHS camps have medical services, education, and AC. Instead of being forced to eat their own feces and then lick up their vomit, the children in these US "concentration camps" get to eat burgers and play soccer. It's almost as if the children are infinitely safer in HHS custody than they would have been in Nazi Germany, or than they were while being smuggled thousands of miles from South America, across treacherous terrain while facing the danger of trafficking and rape.



Pirateogta said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I'm not looking to gain anything from it, I'm just saying it because of the disturbing similarities between Trump and Hitler. He's even stealing people's children and locking them up in what amount to concentration camps, all while letting his fellow rich scumbags profit off the suffering of the occupants.

Besides, demonizing Trump isn't very hard anymore, since he's repeatedly shown how much like Hitler he actually is. Not to mention how his "presidency" is making a mockery of values the American people hold dear. It's no coincidence that America's most notable problems (gun violence, racial tensions and foreign relations issues) have worsened under Trump.

Are you non-ironically comparing Hitler's death camps where innocent people were starved, brutally tortured, experimented upon, and gassed to death, to the HHS facilities for children whose parents are facing criminal charges for breaking the law? In contrast to Hitler's camps, where children had their heads shaved, teeth pulled out, and were starved for months, wallowing in their own excrement, the HHS camps have medical services, education, and AC. Instead of being forced to eat their own feces and then lick up their vomit, the children in these US "concentration camps" get to eat burgers and play soccer. It's almost as if the children are infinitely safer in HHS custody than they would have been in Nazi Germany, or than they were while being smuggled thousands of miles from South America, across treacherous terrain while facing the danger of trafficking and rape.

I am making that comparison because of how close it is to what the Nazis did to the Jews. Trump isn't going further only because he knows the world is watching him.

And who said the children in the US camps are being treated well? None of them wanted to be torn away from their families, nor did they deserve it.

If I had children and crossed into the United States, but it was well known that I hate the US government, would they take my children away too? Just because I did something the government doesn't like?



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It’s well within the authority as president. It doesn’t matter if the SCOTUS agrees with or not, their only job is to determine whether it’s constitutional or not. Which it obviously is, the 4 who ruled against it have a hard time understanding what their job is apparently.





irstupid said:

What are you trying to say here?



CaptainExplosion said:
irstupid said:

What are you trying to say here?

If you're going to sit there and make outlandish comparisons to the holocaust and this right now, then you might as well use this picture which every new media outlet plastered all over the web and tv to show how cruel this is. Time magazine even made it the cover of their magazine. This picture of a young girl being ripped from her family and sent to an American concentration camp.

pictures always pack a bigger punch than just words.

I could then start posting pictures from the real holocaust concentration camps. Though I am afraid that might get me in trouble cause the images are troubling.



irstupid said:
CaptainExplosion said:

What are you trying to say here?

If you're going to sit there and make outlandish comparisons to the holocaust and this right now, then you might as well use this picture which every new media outlet plastered all over the web and tv to show how cruel this is. Time magazine even made it the cover of their magazine. This picture of a young girl being ripped from her family and sent to an American concentration camp.

pictures always pack a bigger punch than just words.

You make a very good point, despite previously questioning my gender.