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zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

Ok, i will remake my prediction, because what i had clear was 9-10M shipped, i did not went full on regions, so that's why i made the mistake.

4'5-4'25M for Americas, 3'75-3'5M for Others, 1'75-2M for Japan, but the 10M worldwide still remains.

So you have them doing 18.5 million and think people are crazy for thinking they will come close to 20m?

Eh....no?. If my maths are correct, i'm expecting 9'5M-10M + 2'5-3M for Q3+Q4....that's 12-13M Q3+Q4 so 17-18M for the FY2018. I think 18M+ is possible, i think 19M is not possibe, i think anything 20M or more is ...i think i used the word "nuts".



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colafitte said:
zorg1000 said:

So you have them doing 18.5 million and think people are crazy for thinking they will come close to 20m?

Eh....no?. If my maths are correct, i'm expecting 9'5M-10M + 2'5-3M for Q3+Q4....that's 12-13M Q3+Q4 so 17-18M for the FY2018. I think 18M+ is possible, i think 19M is not possibe, i think anything 20M or more is ...i think i used the word "nuts".

Your Americas numbers dont make sense though. You have 4.25-4.5 million when actual sell through will be that much.

USA Oct+Nov was over 1.6 million, insiders are saying 2-2.5m for Dec putting USA at 3.6-4.1m. Canada is about 10% of USA so 4-4.5 million for USA+Canada. Latin America will be another couple hundred thousand so 4.2-4.7 million sell through for Americas meaning shipments would need to be closer to 4.5-5 million for shipments.

If your Americas numbers are low than your Other is likely low as well since it has remained consistently 80-90% of Americas.

 

10 million is the minimum this quarter, not the maximum and Q4 doing the same or worse as last year doesn't make much sense either when looking at all the momentum it has at the moment.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

Eh....no?. If my maths are correct, i'm expecting 9'5M-10M + 2'5-3M for Q3+Q4....that's 12-13M Q3+Q4 so 17-18M for the FY2018. I think 18M+ is possible, i think 19M is not possibe, i think anything 20M or more is ...i think i used the word "nuts".

Your Americas numbers dont make sense though. You have 4.25-4.5 million when actual sell through will be that much.

USA Oct+Nov was over 1.6 million, insiders are saying 2-2.5m for Dec putting USA at 3.6-4.1m. Canada is about 10% of USA so 4-4.5 million for USA+Canada. Latin America will be another couple hundred thousand so 4.2-4.7 million sell through for Americas meaning shipments would need to be closer to 4.5-5 million for shipments.

If your Americas numbers are low than your Other is likely low as well since it has remained consistently 80-90% of Americas.

 

10 million is the minimum this quarter, not the maximum and Q4 doing the same or worse as last year doesn't make much sense either when looking at all the momentum it has at the moment.

If 10M is the minimum and let's say, 11M is the best option. How much is going to be VGC off with their sales then?. I asked this quiestion earlier but i did not received an answer. Switch is 26'1M sold to consumers with 3 weeks left for 2018 according to VGC. If Switch ships 11M in Q3 that will put Switch around 34M shipped. Then..., how much is going Switch to sell by the end of the year to the consumers then?

In my case, I expect 3-3'5M more for Switch, ending around 16-16'5M like i always said, so 29-29'5M total sales to consumers. Is there going to be 4-5M Switch on shelves then???. If not, is Switch going to sell 1'5-2M per week the last 3 weeks of the year??, are VGC numbers wrong??

If i expect 29-29'5M sold to consumers by 2018, i expect 2-3M more units on shelves..., that's why i expect around 32-33M shipped, that why it is 9-10M shipped in Q3 for me, how is the split of that 9-10M???, that's more difficult, but that's what i expect.



colafitte said:
zorg1000 said:

Your Americas numbers dont make sense though. You have 4.25-4.5 million when actual sell through will be that much.

USA Oct+Nov was over 1.6 million, insiders are saying 2-2.5m for Dec putting USA at 3.6-4.1m. Canada is about 10% of USA so 4-4.5 million for USA+Canada. Latin America will be another couple hundred thousand so 4.2-4.7 million sell through for Americas meaning shipments would need to be closer to 4.5-5 million for shipments.

If your Americas numbers are low than your Other is likely low as well since it has remained consistently 80-90% of Americas.

 

10 million is the minimum this quarter, not the maximum and Q4 doing the same or worse as last year doesn't make much sense either when looking at all the momentum it has at the moment.

If 10M is the minimum and let's say, 11M is the best option. How much is going to be VGC off with their sales then?. I asked this quiestion earlier but i did not received an answer. Switch is 26'1M sold to consumers with 3 weeks left for 2018 according to VGC. If Switch ships 11M in Q3 that will put Switch around 34M shipped. Then..., how much is going Switch to sell by the end of the year to the consumers then?

In my case, I expect 3-3'5M more for Switch, ending around 16-16'5M like i always said, so 29-29'5M total sales to consumers. Is there going to be 4-5M Switch on shelves then???. If not, is Switch going to sell 1'5-2M per week the last 3 weeks of the year??, are VGC numbers wrong??

If i expect 29-29'5M sold to consumers by 2018, i expect 2-3M more units on shelves..., that's why i expect around 32-33M shipped, that why it is 9-10M shipped in Q3 for me, how is the split of that 9-10M???, that's more difficult, but that's what i expect.

I dont really care what vgchartz numbers say since they are so prone to being off and constantly get adjusted.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

If 10M is the minimum and let's say, 11M is the best option. How much is going to be VGC off with their sales then?. I asked this quiestion earlier but i did not received an answer. Switch is 26'1M sold to consumers with 3 weeks left for 2018 according to VGC. If Switch ships 11M in Q3 that will put Switch around 34M shipped. Then..., how much is going Switch to sell by the end of the year to the consumers then?

In my case, I expect 3-3'5M more for Switch, ending around 16-16'5M like i always said, so 29-29'5M total sales to consumers. Is there going to be 4-5M Switch on shelves then???. If not, is Switch going to sell 1'5-2M per week the last 3 weeks of the year??, are VGC numbers wrong??

If i expect 29-29'5M sold to consumers by 2018, i expect 2-3M more units on shelves..., that's why i expect around 32-33M shipped, that why it is 9-10M shipped in Q3 for me, how is the split of that 9-10M???, that's more difficult, but that's what i expect.

I dont really care what vgchartz numbers say since they are so prone to being off and constantly get adjusted.

Well, so i think you choose option VGC numbers are wrong then. What about the guy the other day that said Switch surpassed 25M and PS4 surpassed 90M. Is he wrong too? What about the official number of Nintendo and NPD saying Switch had sold at the end of November 8'7M units in USA lifetime?? Was that wrong too? Because knowing that number and JP numbers we can make a better assumption if VGC numbers are correct or not. We know UK numbers already too. So then..., is that 26'1M number for VGC so off in the markets we already know numbers?? How much do you think then Switch is with 3 weeks left to end 2018??, how many units do you think will be by the end of the year?, 29M, 30M, 31M, 32M?? We are here to discuss numbers, but if you don't give me any, i can't say if i agree with you or not in this topic.



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colafitte said:
zorg1000 said:

I dont really care what vgchartz numbers say since they are so prone to being off and constantly get adjusted.

Well, so i think you choose option VGC numbers are wrong then. What about the guy the other day that said Switch surpassed 25M and PS4 surpassed 90M. Is he wrong too? What about the official number of Nintendo and NPD saying Switch had sold at the end of November 8'7M units in USA lifetime?? Was that wrong too? Because knowing that number and JP numbers we can make a better assumption if VGC numbers are correct or not. We know UK numbers already too. So then..., is that 26'1M number for VGC so off in the markets we already know numbers?? How much do you think then Switch is with 3 weeks left to end 2018??, how many units do you think will be by the end of the year?, 29M, 30M, 31M, 32M?? We are here to discuss numbers, but if you don't give me any, i can't say if i agree with you or not in this topic.

You're going off on ridiculous tangents. The random guy who said 90m & 25m were basic estimates and of course the Nintendo/NPD numbers are correct.

I think 30+ million sold and 33-34 million shipped.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I said it before Pokémon and Smash and I say it again: Yes, they will reach 20m.



zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

Well, so i think you choose option VGC numbers are wrong then. What about the guy the other day that said Switch surpassed 25M and PS4 surpassed 90M. Is he wrong too? What about the official number of Nintendo and NPD saying Switch had sold at the end of November 8'7M units in USA lifetime?? Was that wrong too? Because knowing that number and JP numbers we can make a better assumption if VGC numbers are correct or not. We know UK numbers already too. So then..., is that 26'1M number for VGC so off in the markets we already know numbers?? How much do you think then Switch is with 3 weeks left to end 2018??, how many units do you think will be by the end of the year?, 29M, 30M, 31M, 32M?? We are here to discuss numbers, but if you don't give me any, i can't say if i agree with you or not in this topic.

You're going off on ridiculous tangents. The random guy who said 90m & 25m were basic estimates and of course the Nintendo/NPD numbers are correct.

I think 30+ million sold and 33-34 million shipped.

I don't get why are ridiculous tangents (the random guy is a random guy, ok, but the rest are official numbers), but whatever...

30M+ sold and 33-34M shipped...OK. That's fine. I'am saying 16M+ sold and you're saying 17M+ sold. I am saying 9-10M shipped, you are saying 10-11M. In the end it won't be so much difference.... I guess Q4 will be the critical point to see if it can reach 20M shipped then...



Lol, there it is, already being accused of some type of hater that lowballs switch. So expecting 85-90 lifetime for switch is lowballing...

And sorry, but I find insultingly condescending that you tell me how to use the words "in fact". I used the only way I can be 100% correct because I chosed to say that the only fact is that I'm expecting something to happen being the fact the act to expect itself (if I'm right or wrong is not important).

What I'm going to do is never talk about switch again in this site. I'm tired of being accused of things. Everytime someone here doesn't agree with me he or she feels free to accuse me of whatever they want when in my case I treat everyone here with respect.

I already said what I expect of things to come. No more porpuse arguing anymore.

So yeah, switch is going to dominate the world. Enjoy future discussions with people that think the same as you.



Asriel said:
Asriel said:
No, I highly doubt it - that soft spring quarter has hamstrung them somewhat. They needed to be coming in at around 3 million units or more for each quarter outside of Q3; 1.88 million in Q1 just wasn't good enough. Labo clearly hasn't taken off the way they hoped; the three packs combined have probably sold less than Xenoblade Chronicles. Selling less than a middle-tier JRPG is not what you want for a new game that's meant to bring your hardware to a wider audience.

My guess is they're going to land in the 18-18.5 million range, which would still be strong. As others have noted, PS4 did about 17.7 million in the second fiscal year, so around the 18 million mark would be good for Switch. Nintendo are at ~5.1 million now; I can see 9.5 million for the holiday quarter and 3.5 million in Q4, for a little over 18 million for the financial year.

This is what I said two months ago - I'll stand by this. There's a good chance of the third quarter coming in around 10 million and I see 3 to 3.5 million as the range for the fourth quarter. Much as I'd like to see 4 million in Q4, I'm not sure Switch's baseline is going to be high enough for that without either a price cut or a hardware revision (especially to lift sales in Japan, where it's selling strongly for a home console but behind the sales curve of the more successful portable systems like 3DS and DS). 

It's very clear that first quarter has cost them in terms of hardware sales, but given they'll likely be exceeding their software target and will likely be within 10% of their hardware target, I don't think they'll be concerned. If they'd kept to a 3 million (or so) pace in the first quarter, we'd likely be looking at Switch coming in somewhere around 19.2 to 19.7 for the fiscal year, perhaps even bang on 20 million. Labo, like Arms and 1-2 Switch, hasn't caught on the way Nintendo's more conventional first party offerings has - but the tremendous success of Smash Bros and continuing success of the evergreen cohort bodes very well for Luigi's Mansion 3, Animal Crossing and Pokemon generation 8, and for Nintendo's next financial year.

It'll be interesting to see what software Nintendo offer after 2019. The only major sellers waiting in the wings I can think of would be Super Mario Maker and perhaps a Switch version of Nintendogs, but I'd guess Nintendo will have something less conventional planned, too (new IP). Metroid Prime 4 and Bayonetta 3 are candidates for 2020 (as well as 2019), but they won't be major sales drivers.

I fully agree with you. Nintendo is actually launching games for all their main series in 2 years (zelda, pokemon, mario kart, 3d mario, 2d mario, smash, yoshi, kirby, mario party, splatoon, luigi mansion, animal crossing, yokai watch...) So I also think new ips will come 2020, mario maker and I guess another 3d mario / zelda