| areason said: No, it will need to launch before in order to steal some customers. |
you can buy both... LOL put that consumer tribalism down for a moment.
| AlfredoTurkey said: Those of you who think that Sony will destroy them again need to look at your history. Look at the generation's starting from NES until now. How many times has the same company dominated twice? Just once. That's it. In all of gaming history, only one time has the same company dominated two times in a row in home consoles. |
Woah , this is need a new thread. I have not heard of such nonsense in how consoles success worked LMAO. You beat Pachter in creating new theory XD XD
Traditional generations are over people. Playstation 5 will come, but the majority of its games will also work on PS4 (with worse framerate and graphics). Microsoft will do the same, but because they can still lean on PC and xbox one x, they can afford to wait longer. They will never actually sell more consoles than Sony anyway, unless they shoot themselves in the foot a la PS3. And even then it was only 2 markets where 360 sold more, where PS3 did better rest of the world. Its all about maximizing profits, which is why Microsoft got in to PC again in the first place (biggest platform in the world by quite a huge margin).
| mundus6 said: Traditional generations are over people. Playstation 5 will come, but the majority of its games will also work on PS4 (with worse framerate and graphics). Microsoft will do the same, but because they can still lean on PC and xbox one x, they can afford to wait longer. They will never actually sell more consoles than Sony anyway, unless they shoot themselves in the foot a la PS3. And even then it was only 2 markets where 360 sold more, where PS3 did better rest of the world. Its all about maximizing profits, which is why Microsoft got in to PC again in the first place (biggest platform in the world by quite a huge margin). |
The majority of PS5's games will not work on PS4, the Jaguar CPU is too big of a hindrance regardless of fps/graphical reductions. A large amount of cross-gen games will exist for the first couple of years or so as usual, just as they did with the 360/ps3 and xbo/ps4.
I can't see any scenario where they launch in different year, I'm pretty sure they both Sony and MS have plans and prototypes up for what a console launch in each year between 2019-22 would look like and be ready to launch when either their games are ready to push a new gen or their competitor launches theirs.
| Cerebralbore101 said: Microsoft won't be releasing an XB2. They will claim that XB1X was their next gen console, while slowly retreating from the console market. Why? 1. After 4K 30 FPS there's not much you can do as far as graphics go without breaking the bank. Playing Witcher 3 in 4K takes a $1000 PC for 30 FPS. Playing Witcher 3 in 4K at 60 FPS takes well over $3000. A few years won't change this fact enough to make a $500 console that can play games at 4K 60 FPS feasible. Graphics won't surpass Witcher 3 on ultra setting, because that level of detail is too labor intensive for most studios. This is why only CDPR, and Sony have been able to push the envelope this gen. Only they have the money and talent to get over the labor hump. 2. PC gaming is becoming more popular than ever. MS already makes money on Windows, so why would they bother staying in the console market, when they think it will end within another generation or two? MS's intent with Xbox was to defend the PC from the livingroom space. They seem to think they've accomplished that. 3. MS's biggest moneymaker is XBL, not XB1. As long as they can successfully hold onto their XBL customers they are going to do a slow 7 year phase out of XB consoles as a whole, switching over to games as a service. 4. Sony is crushing them this gen, and it's blatantly obvious that MS cannot compete with them. |
This is where I think MS is headed too. They're already trying to prep customers with the "generations are dead" propaganda.
To elaborate on your point 4, I don't think MS can compete in the console space without Buying marketshare; that is how they did it with XBox and XBox 360
| AlfredoTurkey said: It will launch head to head. Those of you who think that Sony will destroy them again need to look at your history. Look at the generation's starting from NES until now. How many times has the same company dominated twice? Just once. That's it. In all of gaming history, only one time has the same company dominated two times in a row in home consoles. |
Even at best MS (360) had a hard time beating playstation (PS3) in its worst gen. Ps3 arguably sold more with one year less on the market.. so when did sony fail?? and when did MS won?? IMO Playstation has been a force to reckon with, since past 4 gen.. its just that blunder of PS3 launch and a year early launch made Xbox competitive against PS3. Playstation is such a strong brand that it survived those initial mess up, but in the similar scenario xbox one struggled to even match PS4.
Not to mention all the digital games and back ward compatibility will give enough incentive for 80m consumer to go with PS5 next gen, Xbox currently doesnt provide any incentive as to why I as a consumer should jump ship, I am just not going to rebuy all the games that i have accumulated on PS4..
the only way sony can mess up PS5 is if they restrict backward compatibility in any form. like if its only digital and no disc based, something like on PS4, no Support for PS2 and PS1 discs! The biggest trump card MS is going to have will be their BC.
| mundus6 said: Traditional generations are over people. Playstation 5 will come, but the majority of its games will also work on PS4 (with worse framerate and graphics). Microsoft will do the same, but because they can still lean on PC and xbox one x, they can afford to wait longer. They will never actually sell more consoles than Sony anyway, unless they shoot themselves in the foot a la PS3. And even then it was only 2 markets where 360 sold more, where PS3 did better rest of the world. Its all about maximizing profits, which is why Microsoft got in to PC again in the first place (biggest platform in the world by quite a huge margin). |
I don't think generations are over. True, they will not be about gaphics anymore, but there will always be opprtunities for improvement. Nintendo's two best selling"home" consoles of this century were both about advancing gaming in other ways besides graphics.
| Dr.Vita said: They will either launch at the same time or Microsoft will release their console first imo. |
You really think that if Sony is doing a 2020 launch (as it appears from that quote, about crouching to jump high lateron, might indicate) that Microsft will launch a Xbox Two in 2019? The Xbox One X just came out like at the end of 2017.... you think that within 2years of its launch, there will be a replacement for the Xbox One X?
I dont think Xbox does that, it would be stepping on too many toes (those that opted to buy a xbox one x).
| MasterThief said: well considering the one X is newer than the pro. it would make sense that microsoft have been working on next gen for shorter than Sony. now that isn't bullet proof logic but you'd think. |
Why would the Xbox One X release date have any affect on the release date of Microsoft's next console?
It's not like Sony and Microsoft are building the chips that go into these machines.
| MasterThief said: anyway. we do know Sony is deep into working on the PS5. multiple devs mentioning working on next gen games in Sony 1st party studios. do you think we will see both consoles next to each other like last gen? |
Obviously. And not because of what Developers or Sony have mentioned.
We know because consoles typically spend years being designed, tested, iterated upon, improved and so on, it's common sense... Just like water is wet.
| MasterThief said: I don't think microsoft can afford to let Sony release significantly earlier. |
Really depends how the Playstation 5 resonates with consumers.
| Cerebralbore101 said: Microsoft won't be releasing an XB2. They will claim that XB1X was their next gen console, while slowly retreating from the console market. Why? |
Yeah. You don't get to speak for Microsoft without evidence.
| Cerebralbore101 said: 1. After 4K 30 FPS there's not much you can do as far as graphics go without breaking the bank. |
False. Clearly you haven't been paying attention to what is happening on the PC are you?
| Cerebralbore101 said: Playing Witcher 3 in 4K takes a $1000 PC for 30 FPS. Playing Witcher 3 in 4K at 60 FPS takes well over $3000. A few years won't change this fact enough to make a $500 console that can play games at 4K 60 FPS feasible. Graphics won't surpass Witcher 3 on ultra setting, because that level of detail is too labor intensive for most studios. This is why only CDPR, and Sony have been able to push the envelope this gen. Only they have the money and talent to get over the labor hump. |
Witcher 3 wasn't built from the ground up to take full advantage of next-gen capabilities.
| Cerebralbore101 said: 4. Sony is crushing them this gen, and it's blatantly obvious that MS cannot compete with them. |
Microsoft can compete just fine. They simply screwed up this generation.
| Kyuu said: Sony will dominate MS again and it will be even more one sided than this generation. |
Evidence?
| couchmonkey said: This is where I think MS is headed too. They're already trying to prep customers with the "generations are dead" propaganda. |
Are you sure it's Microsoft that has been spreading that "Propaganda" or was it just a singular comment that someone made at Xbox and the gaming community has decided to take it and run with it?
| taus90 said: Even at best MS (360) had a hard time beating playstation (PS3) in its worst gen. Ps3 arguably sold more with one year less on the market.. so when did sony fail?? and when did MS won?? IMO Playstation has been a force to reckon with, since past 4 gen.. its just that blunder of PS3 launch and a year early launch made Xbox competitive against PS3. Playstation is such a strong brand that it survived those initial mess up, but in the similar scenario xbox one struggled to even match PS4. |
To be fair... If Microsoft didn't have the PR disaster that was the RROD, last generation may have played out differently.
| JRPGfan said: The Xbox One X just came out like at the end of 2017.... you think that within 2years of its launch, there will be a replacement for the Xbox One X? |
To be honest. They could release the next gen Xbox tomorrow. I would be keen. The Xbox One X shouldn't have any influence on when the next Xbox comes anyway.
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