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johnsobas said:
i'm technically a steam member, but the only game i have is peggle. The only other PC game i play is warcraft 3.

lol thats like me. I'm technically registered to steam. All i have is the orange box.

 

to be honest steam can bl*w me. I dunno what its even for. All i know is it asked me for a lot of my personal information.



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Garcian Smith said:

It seems like the numbers are weighted extremely heavily by those WoW subscribers. I mean, that's basically 10 million people paying $20/month right there, so that's a couple billion dollars a year that I'm sure is unequaled by the rest of the industry as a whole.

Finally, how much of that PC game revenue came from soccer moms registering a copy of Bejeweled or some such?


First, let me say that I'm suspicious of this report.

With that said, both of your bolded arguments are specious. As to the first, it's not relevant how weighted revenue is; that's like taking the Wii out of console sales.  Suddenly, without Nintendo, console manufacturers have lost a combined 5 billion dollars in the last 4 years! Dear lord, the console world is collapsing!

As to the second, that's completely irrelevant, as revenue takes into account a game's retail price. Or put more specifically, it doesn't matter if the sales came from 100 copies of Guitar Hero PC at 70 dollars or from 700 copies of Bejeweled at 10 dollars; they end up equalling the same revenue, and the point of the report is that PC revenue > Console revenue. 



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hunter_alien said:
Squilliam said:

Not the topic of discussion in this link, but the information is valuable nethertheless.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167296

Highlights:

" DFC Intelligence reported that people spent more money on PC games than on any other platform last year"

"15 million people on steam"

"10 million WOW subscribers"

Looks like the PC is flourishing as a platform. There are no licencing fees and developers that distribute through steam don't have to pay that $10-15 retail markup, nor do they have to have the expense the disk or packaging.

Further proof of this - no link sorry, but discrete GPU sales have increased year on year over last year.

It looks like the PC will have another bumper year, with plenty of growth online.

lol ... you actually forget a couple of facts . First of all a major ammount of those sales come from extremly old titles : Warcraft 3 , WoW , UT04 , HL , Oblivion and thousands of other games that sit just there in the bargain bin and bought just because they are cheap and everyone in the world has a PC . Console software sales die out in max 3-4 years with a few exceptions , while small PC games can sell at a budget price for 6-10 years ( Starcraft anyone ) . The development cost for games like those are extremly low , and even if they sell , major releases dont sell that much , at least not in their first month . And here is where the console market will have allways the upper hand . Major opening weeks , and the fact that developers/publishers can make a profit in matter of days , while they often have to wait months if not years , untill they start making money on a huge PC games .

 

Console games are more front loaded, but they also die much faster than PC games, so both have advantages and disadvantages. Also PC games are slightly cheaper to develop and don't need to pay the extra licensing fees that console devs do.

BKK2 said:
Well, "last gen" I was a PC gamer, so I'm quite pleased to hear that, but I'm still skeptical. Anyway, last year, the major PAL markets took 8396m Euros in software revenue with PC taking 1465m Euros of that, or 17.5%. That is just my aggregated value of Western Europe + Australia, but it shouldn't be much different to what most other estimations are for PAL territory.

That can't be right, Most european countries have PC as the main platform and even still the highest seller in retail. Even UK has PC as the main platform and highest games' seller on retail, and when you check the weekly UK top40 videogames you'll struggle to find a couple of PC games in there. I reckon PC should have 25% retail in PAL, without taking into account Digital distribution.

Rock_on_2008 said:
Console games are more fun in my opinion than PC games. I prefer the controller over the mouse and keyboard.
BTW the average person does not own a state of the art gaming PC with latest Graphics cards with Fast speed dual processor with RAM of 2GB or more. PC's need to be upgraded too regularly to play latest games. The console last up to 5 years with no upgrades required.
I notice VGChartz tracks the console games well but the PC games well they are not tracked at all.

You can play PC games with a controller.

You don't need a state of the art gaming PC to play the latest PC games. PC's now are cheaper than ever, with the average PC being around $800, when a few years ago it was like $1200.

You usually only need to upgrade once. If you're doing it twice then you did something wrong. And you get your money back by buying the PC games, which are much cheaper than home consoles'.

A PC usually lasts 10 years. There are always games with lower requirements coming out each year, such as Audiosurf (86% gamerankings) this year, which you can play it on a 10 year old PC. My brother's PC, bought in 2003, is still used to play the latest games like Stalker and Sam&Max. Also PC's can do much more than play games: I have 3 PC's connected at my home, one of them I bought in 1999 and it's still used for internet.



@everyone, think of the whole market. You have Steam, Wow + other MMO's then you have retail sales which are low but decent. You have whole areas in the world, like Eastern Europe that are mad PC gamers. You know the Witcher came out of Poland right? These areas aren't even tracked! You guys even forgot online flash games etc.

Blizzard might end up making more money on WOW than Sony did on the PS2. Thats if they haven't already.

Doesn't matter if its front loaded, back loaded or whatever.. Its the sales rate and the quantity of revenue that counts. Hell, can anyone really be surprised when there are over a quarter billion PCs sold every year? 60 million GPU's. Nvidia was making tons of money before they had the smart idea to stick a gpu in a console. Furthermore, GPU's like the g92 and the rv670 were SOLD OUT or hard to come by for over three months before christmas last year.



Tease.

Shio said:
A PC usually lasts 10 years. There are always games with lower requirements coming out each year, such as Audiosurf (86% gamerankings) this year, which you can play it on a 10 year old PC. My brother's PC, bought in 2003, is still used to play the latest games like Stalker and Sam&Max. Also PC's can do much more than play games: I have 3 PC's connected at my home, one of them I bought in 1999 and it's still used for internet.

 I agree with most of what you said, I just want to emphatically agree with this point.  Audiosurf especially is a story of PC success; it topped Steam's sales list in February.  Sure, it was only a $10 sale, but this is the very definition of an indie game.  Say what you will about XBLA, PSN, WiiWare; the PC *still* has a lower barrier to entry, and the ability to reach millions of people.  This is made even easier through the work of Steam and XNA.  PCs have kept indie gaming alive so much more than console games ever could, and if you think indie gaming is important (I do, indie gaming is one of the main reasons I lapsed last generation, in addition to added demands on my time) then you should be happy PC gaming is as healthy as it is.

Sure, some companies complain about piracy, but I think the creator of Sins of a Solar Empire says it best: Ignore them! Pirates wouldn't be buying your games anyways, and by fighting them and complaining about them you do nothing but spend more money on copy protection and make a worse product for your paying customers.  The PC market is out there buying games, they are just growing weary of spending $50 on a product that you need to jump through dozens of hoops just to get to run.  Like I said, indie gaming is one of the reason I lapsed last generation; I got into it because I was sick and tired of having a better experience playing cracked versions of games than the actual versions of the games (I still have unopened copies of a few games I bought and then pirated instead of installing from disks).  The fact that games that make it easy to play are still selling proves the market is out there; they just aren't being served by the 'classic' gaming industry.

 @squilliam:

I think sony made $2Billion off PS2? Does that sound right?

In that case:

WoW has been >6M subscribers  for about 2 years.  Assuming minimum numbers: 6M users * $13/user/month * 24 months = $1872M, so almost $1.9 BILLION in the last two years, assuming that they've been at 6M since then (they're significantly higher, having passed 9M in 2007, and I don't know where they are now) who all pay the least amount possible per month (unless I got that number wrong).  I'd say they're certainly higher than Sony with the PS2 by now.

 Also, I am comparing revenue to profit (i think) so it's not a perfect comparison, but we don't know how much WoW costs blizzard.. or at least I don't.



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figure this AudioSurf outsold the all the GTA games in sales on the PS2.



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ssj12 said:
figure this AudioSurf outsold the all the GTA games in sales on the PS2.

 O_o is that true?  If so, holy god it sold better than I thought it did.



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dont 4get piracy

i have many burnt pc games



CaptainPrefrences said:
dont 4get piracy

i have many burnt pc games

 See the article I linked above: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080320-pc-game-developer-has-radical-message-ignore-the-pirates.html

Not to mention piracy being immaterial to a discussion of revenue...



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Unsurprising, given that XP alone has a user base of over 1 billion, so, even if only 10% are gamers, that would be more than 100 millions.
However, despite I am a big PC games fun, I understand that a lot of people likes console gaming, each one has its pros and cons.



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