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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
thismeintiel on 03 June 2018
NightlyPoe said:
thismeintiel said: 

1. SW is a WW brand.  The SJW/SW controversy is not just restricted to the US.  It is felt throughout the world, where, just so you know, they do have the internet, now.  Of course, I do accept that there are those who don't feel like that.  I mean, it's not like the film made $0, right?

2.  Actually, I would say that the SW controversy is larger, namely due to how those in charge reacted.  Like I said, the NFL is a huge part of some people's lives.  It would be very hard to just give up on it over the kneeling thing.  Of course, if the NFL's official stance for those who opposed the kneeling was that they were racist, incel bigots who only have a problem with it because the players are black, and they don't care about your money, you can guaran-damn-tee that the drop off would have been larger than just 10%.  The NFL also realizes that if they allow it to continue, it will start making that 10% grow this coming season.  Disney doesn't seem to be learning anything, yet, even after a much lower turnout for TLJ than they expected and an actual flop.  I think it will take Ep 9 doing even less than TLJ before we see any action.

3. I never claimed that those who 100% agree with my beliefs make up the vast majority.  I have just stated the fact that those that agree that pushing political agendas is screwing up SW makes up a far larger part of the group than many on here, and at Disney/Lucasfilm, want to accept.  When you have people on the Left, who would probably disagree with 70%-80% of what us on the Right believe, yet we can all come together to say that SJWs are ruining SW, you have a very large group.

1.  The rest of the world does not have the attachment to Star Wars as the American audience does.  Never has.  They see Star Wars, but to most of the world, it's not a cultural touchstone, but another blockbuster.  Proof can be found in the very low international percentage of the total gross as compared to other blockbusters.  The average blockbuster gets well into the 60s, getting as high as above 80%+ of their box office coming from overseas.  Star Wars consistently struggles to reach the mid-50s.  The international box office was always the soft market.

However, repeat with me again:  Other countries have their own politics.  They may have the internet and could follow our politics if they want, some might even follow closely enough to actually understand it and become excited what's going on over here, but what they think and feel will inevitably be colored by their local set of beliefs.  What feels important here will not be as important elsewhere, particularly about a franchise that the rest of the world as they do not share our fondness. 

2.  Wow, you're just delusional if you think the TLJ controversy is even in the same ballpark as the NFL controversy.  Get your head out of the echo chambers man.  The difference is several magnitudes.  Most people literally don't even know the TLJ spat is a thing, while you people can't get away from the kneeling controversy.

And I don't believe I've heard Disney call anyone names.

3.  Well, it's nice that I never said that you said people agreed with you 100%.  And, yes, you said vast majority when there's no evidence that the vast majority are even aware of your complaints.

This is a small controversy.

1. SW has been a great performer at the FBO.  Even when it was small.  You guys focus on percentages, because you think that proves your point, but all it shows is that SW was HUGE in US/Canada.  ANH made $1.31B (adjusted) at the FBO, without the huge market that is China today.  So, just because it made $1.28B in NA, causing FBO to be 50.6%, that means its not a cultural touchstone?  What flawed logic.

You act like the world is just looking through a window at the US for their SJW crap.  They aren't.  They got that shit happening in their own countries.  News Flash, not everyone in those countries agrees with it.  And yes, it can ruin their enjoyment of a cultural touchstone, which it is in many countries, like SW.

2. Maybe you are the one in the echochambers.  Was the NFL thing covered everywhere?  Sure.  However, the NFL didn't bash their fans for disagreeing with the players.  And now that they know it will cost them more if they keep it going, they have changed their policy.  The TLJ controversy was also covered by a lot of people.  Of course, it is just one movie, not a game that gets played every week, so its not going to come up as often.  However, because Disney bashed its fans, there was a much larger fan backlash.  That is evident on social media, like Twitter and Youtube, and in ticket sales.  And no, Disney didn't personally issue a statement.  But there silence as Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, Jon Kasdan, etc. pushed their agenda and bashed those who disagree speaks volumes.

3. The only time I said the vast majority was in context to why the SJWs at Disney and in the media are freaking out.  They do honestly think that the people who think like I do about the new SW, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, are a minuscule portion of the fanbase, while the people who think like them are the vast majority.  That's why they are having their minds blown at the disappointing performance of TLJ and the flop that is Solo, even though they think it should be perfectly fine to attack these "bigots" online or put their agendas in the film.  It's a rude awakening for them.  I realize that you actually agree with them, but there's nothing that's going to change your mind, even if Ep 9 flops or greatly underpeforms next year, so whatever.  I guess it will still be fatigue, lol.

VGPolyglot said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, I guess just let them keep pushing those messages, either in the films or on social media, and and we'll see if it recovers.  I wouldn't hold my breathe for that, if I were you.

Recover from what? Being a multi-billion dollar franchise?

Lol, its funny how you guys can just stick your fingers in your ears consistently, ignoring everything around you.  There is no way anyone with any sense can say something like that seriously, which is why I know you are just saying this as you have no other argument.  The TLJ was supposed to do ~$1.8B.  It did $470M less than that.  We now have the first ever SW flop.  And on top of that, toy sales have dropped ever since TLJ released.  Oh, but all is well.

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WolfpackN64 on 03 June 2018
thismeintiel said:

3. The only time I said the vast majority was in context to why the SJWs at Disney and in the media are freaking out.  They do honestly think that the people who think like I do about the new SW, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, are a minuscule portion of the fanbase, while the people who think like them are the vast majority.  That's why they are having their minds blown at the disappointing performance of TLJ and the flop that is Solo, even though they think it should be perfectly fine to attack these "bigots" online or put their agendas in the film.  It's a rude awakening for them.  I realize that you actually agree with them, but there's nothing that's going to change your mind, even if Ep 9 flops or greatly underpeforms next year, so whatever.  I guess it will still be fatigue, lol.

1. TLJ is the second highest grossing Star Wars movie. I wouldn't call that dissapointing.

2. Solo's dissapointing box office run has everything to do with poor timing.



Immersiveunreality on 03 June 2018
WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

3. The only time I said the vast majority was in context to why the SJWs at Disney and in the media are freaking out.  They do honestly think that the people who think like I do about the new SW, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, are a minuscule portion of the fanbase, while the people who think like them are the vast majority.  That's why they are having their minds blown at the disappointing performance of TLJ and the flop that is Solo, even though they think it should be perfectly fine to attack these "bigots" online or put their agendas in the film.  It's a rude awakening for them.  I realize that you actually agree with them, but there's nothing that's going to change your mind, even if Ep 9 flops or greatly underpeforms next year, so whatever.  I guess it will still be fatigue, lol.

1. TLJ is the second highest grossing Star Wars movie. I wouldn't call that dissapointing.

2. Solo's dissapointing box office run has everything to do with poor timing.

Bolded: Most agree it is an action flick but not a good star wars movie so besides the poor timing people are also agreeing that it is a lesser star wars movie and yeah that also influences the box office run.



thismeintiel on 03 June 2018
WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

3. The only time I said the vast majority was in context to why the SJWs at Disney and in the media are freaking out.  They do honestly think that the people who think like I do about the new SW, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, are a minuscule portion of the fanbase, while the people who think like them are the vast majority.  That's why they are having their minds blown at the disappointing performance of TLJ and the flop that is Solo, even though they think it should be perfectly fine to attack these "bigots" online or put their agendas in the film.  It's a rude awakening for them.  I realize that you actually agree with them, but there's nothing that's going to change your mind, even if Ep 9 flops or greatly underpeforms next year, so whatever.  I guess it will still be fatigue, lol.

1. TLJ is the second highest grossing Star Wars movie. I wouldn't call that dissapointing.

2. Solo's dissapointing box office run has everything to do with poor timing.

1. No. No it is not.  If you adjust for inflation, it is #5.  And you can't ignore the fact that not only did it greatly underperform against its expectations, but it also got beat by 3 other SW films that didn't have the added bonus of the greatly expanded FBO that we have today.  It also caused a steep dip in merch sales.

2.  Tell that to POTC:AWE that not only had competition as strong, some weeks stronger, but still ended up making $963.42M WW, unadjusted.  Though, if you mean poor timing, as in releasing after a major fan backlash and not before it, then I'd probably agree with you.



 

WolfpackN64 on 03 June 2018
Immersiveunreality said:
WolfpackN64 said:

1. TLJ is the second highest grossing Star Wars movie. I wouldn't call that dissapointing.

2. Solo's dissapointing box office run has everything to do with poor timing.

Bolded: Most agree it is an action flick but not a good star wars movie so besides the poor timing people are also agreeing that it is a lesser star wars movie and yeah that also influences the box office run.

I've seen mostly positive reactions and the critics seem to be on the mildly positive side.



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WolfpackN64 on 03 June 2018
thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

1. TLJ is the second highest grossing Star Wars movie. I wouldn't call that dissapointing.

2. Solo's dissapointing box office run has everything to do with poor timing.

1. No. No it is not.  If you adjust for inflation, it is #5.  And you can't ignore the fact that not only did it greatly underperform against its expectations, but it also got beat by 3 other SW films that didn't have the added bonus of the greatly expanded FBO that we have today.  It also caused a steep dip in merch sales.

2.  Tell that to POTC:AWE that not only had competition as strong, some weeks stronger, but still ended up making $963.42M WW, unadjusted.  Though, if you mean poor timing, as in releasing after a major fan backlash and not before it, then I'd probably agree with you.

1. Disney cares about the money it makes now, not how much it could have made.

2. The back lash to Solo happened before the movie came out in the misguided boycott. Most SW fans on reddit agree Solo is a good Star Wars movie. Moving on.



Immersiveunreality on 03 June 2018
WolfpackN64 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded: Most agree it is an action flick but not a good star wars movie so besides the poor timing people are also agreeing that it is a lesser star wars movie and yeah that also influences the box office run.

I've seen mostly positive reactions and the critics seem to be on the mildly positive side.

Yes its a good action movie on its own but for a lot it is a letdown because more is expected from the star wars universe,it is easier seen as a moneygrab without respect for the lore.



WolfpackN64 on 03 June 2018
Immersiveunreality said:
WolfpackN64 said:

I've seen mostly positive reactions and the critics seem to be on the mildly positive side.

Yes its a good action movie on its own but for a lot it is a letdown because more is expected from the star wars universe,it is easier seen as a moneygrab without respect for the lore.

If you thought Solo didn't respect the lore, I'm afraid only the original trilogy will do. Solo probably did the most coherent world-building of ANY Star Wars film.



thismeintiel on 03 June 2018
WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

1. No. No it is not.  If you adjust for inflation, it is #5.  And you can't ignore the fact that not only did it greatly underperform against its expectations, but it also got beat by 3 other SW films that didn't have the added bonus of the greatly expanded FBO that we have today.  It also caused a steep dip in merch sales.

2.  Tell that to POTC:AWE that not only had competition as strong, some weeks stronger, but still ended up making $963.42M WW, unadjusted.  Though, if you mean poor timing, as in releasing after a major fan backlash and not before it, then I'd probably agree with you.

1. Disney cares about the money it makes now, not how much it could have made.

2. The back lash to Solo happened before the movie came out in the misguided boycott. Most SW fans on reddit agree Solo is a good Star Wars movie. Moving on.

1. Oh.  So they must be VERY happy with how Solo is performing then.  Gotcha.  Lol, we both know that is not how a business works.  If Disney, like any company, expected to make ~$1.8B, but made $470M less plus a big drop in merch sales, they are not happy.  And we have lower merch sales and a flop happening, now. Don't be so obtuse just to defend these films.

2. Got a poll of every SW fan to prove that?  Cause what I'm mostly getting is it was a mediocre film, with a few saying it was good.  Of course, with the extra BS surrounding it, I'm not surprised it flopped.



 

Immersiveunreality on 03 June 2018
WolfpackN64 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yes its a good action movie on its own but for a lot it is a letdown because more is expected from the star wars universe,it is easier seen as a moneygrab without respect for the lore.

If you thought Solo didn't respect the lore, I'm afraid only the original trilogy will do. Solo probably did the most coherent world-building of ANY Star Wars film.

There's a difference between worldbuilding and existing lore.