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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
Azuren said:
Faelco said:

I don't know who here read the book, but we're just living Fahrenheit 451 nowadays. You know, the "books are banished and burned, all knowledge is prohibited" story.

You know how this distopya happened in the book? SJWs. They explain that slowly, small groups of people became offended by everything. It started with jokes or comedy, something small, and it became normal to banish more and more "offensive" stuff to please the minority so they finally managed to banish science, and people stay all day in front of a terrible official reality show making sure that they're unable to think by themselves.

People are always worried about 1984 and Big Brother, but our awesome SJWs are doing a great job to create a "destroyed civilization" scenario. Why wouldn't we love them? Books and science are awful of course... 

I find it absolutely hilarious that SJWs try to use Orwell in their own arguments when they are the god damn thought police.

You obviously haven't read much about Orwell, he was a socialist and sympathetic to anarchist movements to the point that he helped fight in the Spanish Civil War, he was on the far left himself. Also, 1984 is an anagram for 1948, the year of the book's release. I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a warning of the future, but a warning of the circumstances that had already begun.



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VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

I find it absolutely hilarious that SJWs try to use Orwell in their own arguments when they are the god damn thought police.

You obviously haven't read much about Orwell, he was a socialist and sympathetic to anarchist movements to the point that he helped fight in the Spanish Civil War, he was on the far left himself. Also, 1984 is an anagram for 1948, the year of the book's release. I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a warning of the future, but a warning of the circumstances that had already begun.

Doesn't change the fact that SJWs are the exact thought police in other books like Fahrenheit 451.



Faelco said:
VGPolyglot said:

You obviously haven't read much about Orwell, he was a socialist and sympathetic to anarchist movements to the point that he helped fight in the Spanish Civil War, he was on the far left himself. Also, 1984 is an anagram for 1948, the year of the book's release. I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a warning of the future, but a warning of the circumstances that had already begun.

Doesn't change the fact that SJWs are the exact thought police in other books like Fahrenheit 451.

I've never read that book, I'm not really sure what you mean by thought police though, they don't know people's thoughts so the only way they can criticize people is if they're explicit about their thoughts, and thus it's merely one side responding to another side and vice versa.



VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

I find it absolutely hilarious that SJWs try to use Orwell in their own arguments when they are the god damn thought police.

You obviously haven't read much about Orwell, he was a socialist and sympathetic to anarchist movements to the point that he helped fight in the Spanish Civil War, he was on the far left himself. Also, 1984 is an anagram for 1948, the year of the book's release. I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a warning of the future, but a warning of the circumstances that had already begun.

And now you have SJWs arguing for speech laws in many countries, acting as thought police to get people penalized in countries where they have control (like the UK) and fired in countries where they can only show outrage (US). You have people running around, watching for people to have wrong thought like Daryle Lamont Jenkins just so they can get them fired or worse. You've got fascists running around claiming to be anti-fascist, attacking people with wrong thought and being the text-book definition of terrorist to get you to think a certain way. They're watching you, they're waiting for you to say something they don't like, and then they punish you if they catch you. All that's different here is that they've eschewed the use of government force in favor of social force, and that's only in America.

 

You obviously aren't paying much attention to what's happening around you, because the Thinkpol is here.



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Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

You obviously haven't read much about Orwell, he was a socialist and sympathetic to anarchist movements to the point that he helped fight in the Spanish Civil War, he was on the far left himself. Also, 1984 is an anagram for 1948, the year of the book's release. I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a warning of the future, but a warning of the circumstances that had already begun.

And now you have SJWs arguing for speech laws in many countries, acting as thought police to get people penalized in countries where they have control (like the UK) and fired in countries where they can only show outrage (US). You have people running around, watching for people to have wrong thought like Daryle Lamont Jenkins just so they can get them fired or worse. You've got fascists running around claiming to be anti-fascist, attacking people with wrong thought and being the text-book definition of terrorist to get you to think a certain way. They're watching you, they're waiting for you to say something they don't like, and then they punish you if they catch you. All that's different here is that they've eschewed the use of government force in favor of social force, and that's only in America.

 

You obviously aren't paying much attention to what's happening around you, because the Thinkpol is here.

They have control in the UK? What reality are you living in? And I'm not sure you understand what fascism is, it's not just anyone that uses violence, or else every military would be considered fascist. Also, I'm not sure what you think should be done, do  you think that they shouldn't be allowed to criticize others? Because ironically that'd be curtailing the free speech that you'll saying that they're limiting.



Chris Hu said:
Insidb said:

This is probably the snowflakiest thing I've read in ages: why are you always so offended by everything that most people aren't, even when it's a nonexistent thing?

Pansexuality literally NEVER comes up in Solo, yet we have a host of very aggressive anti-SJW people manufacturing a narrative. How are you not embarrassed? Did you see the movie? If you had, you'd know you are factually incorrect, and all these takes on Lando are absurd.

Your "no one" mantra sounds very much like something that echoes out of the far right chamber, and your willingness to fabricate an argument to forward agenda is quite disturbing. Go see the movie, before you comment again on this thread: you and your cohorts are patently misleading other members.

People shouldn't be upset that Lando is a pansexual he is a freaking fictional character.  Plus the signs where always there the dude wears a cape.

Darth Vader wears a cape.



VGPolyglot said:
thismeintiel said:

Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings. 

Marvel has a much larger cast of established characters, whereas Star Wars has historically been focused on a central plotline rather than Marvel which does not have a main character.

You do realize that SW had an extremely successful extended universe, right?  Comics and novels.  There is a ton of material that Disney could pull from that would attract die hard fans.  And if done well, like Marvel, they would also appeal to the masses.

VGPolyglot said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Han has been established in 4 main line movies before getting his spin off

But he was not the main character of the franchise: Luke Skywalker and Anakin Skywalker are. It's not like Marvel where there are tons of people with their own comic lines.

Ok, this has to be a joke.  Han Solo was a huge part of the OG trilogy and a fan favorite.  An actual good film about him, with a better choice for actor and without the writer using the film to push his own political agenda, would have done much better than this.

Carl said:
thismeintiel said:

Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings. 

I've always disliked the MCU comparison with Star Wars.

The consumer is used to 2 or 3 MCU movies per year. They're all each different enough due to the very nature of comic book heroes. They all have different powers, they all have different goals and stories, different antagonists. Star Wars doesn't have that luxury in the way that it's being managed right now. It's the good guys vs the Empire. It's lightsabers and blasters vs lightsabers and blasters. It's Star Destroyers, the Millennium Falcon, X-Wings and Tie Fighters.

While the MCU is bringing fresh content to the consumer, Star Wars is *still* relying on nostalgia to push the franchise.

I think the main problem with Star Wars is that it's not really "fresh". They had the opportunity to show the mass market some of the more crazy shit that can happen in that universe and they've dropped the ball. It's essentially just more of the same in each movie. Sure, there's a market for that, but it's no where near as big as they expect it to be after the initial "bump" that came from bringing it back.

On top of that, they put a very average movie (that honestly, nobody really asked for) in a very busy release schedule. Infinity War, Deadpool 2 and Jurassic World 2 are all major movies and all 3 have had a consistent stream of positive advertisement and media attention. The previous 3 Star Wars movies have had the advantage of being the "must see" movie upon release, while Solo has a ridiculous amount of competition.

There's many reasons for Solo failing beyond the apparent political agendas you're concerned about. It's been poorly managed.

Yes.  Its been poorly managed.  Why?  Because of those exact political agendas I talk about.  They are putting those first, as well as attacking those who disagree, then worrying about making the films. 

Consumers are used to 2-3 MCU movies?  Yea, but did it start out like that?  No.  Between late '08 and mid '11, we got just one Marvel film.  People are fine with it because they enjoy those films.  If they were bad, you can guarantee they would not be pumping them out like that.  SW could enjoy the same thing.

And competition?  Another poor excuse.  POTC:AWE made more money than Solo, and that was up against Shrek 3's 2nd week, which made more than Deadpool 2's 2nd weekend, and Spider-Man 3's 4th week, which made only a little less than IW.  And POTC is not SW. 

I know you like to imagine that the people who are boycotting the film, and disagree with Kathleen Kennedy and crew's political agenda, makes up, what?  5% of the fanbase.  But you're wrong.  It's much larger than that.  And they are joined by people who probably mostly agree with her, but they don't want that crap in their SW, especially so poorly implemented. 

areason said:
thismeintiel said:

Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings. 

What was the domestic OW?

~$83.3M.  Even less than the lowest of expectations.



VGPolyglot said:
Faelco said:

Doesn't change the fact that SJWs are the exact thought police in other books like Fahrenheit 451.

I've never read that book, I'm not really sure what you mean by thought police though, they don't know people's thoughts so the only way they can criticize people is if they're explicit about their thoughts, and thus it's merely one side responding to another side and vice versa.

"Only if they're explicit about their thoughts"...

 

Wait, so you're saying it's OK to think anything you want, as long as you don't express it?

So if you say some scientific stuff like "There are 2 genders determined by chromosomes" or "Men and women, or Caucasians and Africans are not biologically identical", and if it displeases our SJWs overlord, it's bad?

 

Because in the book you go to jail (or get killed?) as soon as the government knows that you hold scientific knowledge, or any kind of independant thought. So scientists memorize scientific books, go to exile and shut up, waiting for better times to come in order to bring back knowledge to humanity at that time. Otherwise, only mindless puppets watching TV all day are allowed. Or the firemen in charge of burning the books (and heretics IIRC, not sure about that).

 

Yep, your doubt makes that story so much better... 

Last edited by Faelco - on 27 May 2018

VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

And now you have SJWs arguing for speech laws in many countries, acting as thought police to get people penalized in countries where they have control (like the UK) and fired in countries where they can only show outrage (US). You have people running around, watching for people to have wrong thought like Daryle Lamont Jenkins just so they can get them fired or worse. You've got fascists running around claiming to be anti-fascist, attacking people with wrong thought and being the text-book definition of terrorist to get you to think a certain way. They're watching you, they're waiting for you to say something they don't like, and then they punish you if they catch you. All that's different here is that they've eschewed the use of government force in favor of social force, and that's only in America.

 

You obviously aren't paying much attention to what's happening around you, because the Thinkpol is here.

They have control in the UK? What reality are you living in? And I'm not sure you understand what fascism is, it's not just anyone that uses violence, or else every military would be considered fascist. Also, I'm not sure what you think should be done, do  you think that they shouldn't be allowed to criticize others? Because ironically that'd be curtailing the free speech that you'll saying that they're limiting.

I live in the US, and I consistently read up on stories where speech is shown to be clearly not free. Teaching a dog to do a Nazi salute, for example, is awful but by no means something for which someone should judicially fight for two years and receive a fine.

 

And I don't think you understand what Fascism is, or your response would have been "You mean, Antifa? I denounce them". The flip side of that argument is you do know what fascism is and aren't up to date with what happens when anyone right-of-center tries to speak at a college campus, or you do know and endorse Antifa's fascist actions.

 

No, criticism is how we maintain awareness of what we're doing. Criticism is part of the way the world works. But I do believe that Antifa members should be under watch by authorities and officially labeled a terrorist organization (if they aren't already, the jury seems to be only partially in about that). As far as the social ramifications are concerned? Big companies need to nut up and quit caving the SJW shenanigans. They're just as much of a vocal minority as the other side of that equation.



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