VGPolyglot said:
thismeintiel said:
Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings.
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Marvel has a much larger cast of established characters, whereas Star Wars has historically been focused on a central plotline rather than Marvel which does not have a main character.
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You do realize that SW had an extremely successful extended universe, right? Comics and novels. There is a ton of material that Disney could pull from that would attract die hard fans. And if done well, like Marvel, they would also appeal to the masses.
VGPolyglot said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:
Han has been established in 4 main line movies before getting his spin off
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But he was not the main character of the franchise: Luke Skywalker and Anakin Skywalker are. It's not like Marvel where there are tons of people with their own comic lines.
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Ok, this has to be a joke. Han Solo was a huge part of the OG trilogy and a fan favorite. An actual good film about him, with a better choice for actor and without the writer using the film to push his own political agenda, would have done much better than this.
Carl said:
thismeintiel said:
Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings.
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I've always disliked the MCU comparison with Star Wars.
The consumer is used to 2 or 3 MCU movies per year. They're all each different enough due to the very nature of comic book heroes. They all have different powers, they all have different goals and stories, different antagonists. Star Wars doesn't have that luxury in the way that it's being managed right now. It's the good guys vs the Empire. It's lightsabers and blasters vs lightsabers and blasters. It's Star Destroyers, the Millennium Falcon, X-Wings and Tie Fighters.
While the MCU is bringing fresh content to the consumer, Star Wars is *still* relying on nostalgia to push the franchise.
I think the main problem with Star Wars is that it's not really "fresh". They had the opportunity to show the mass market some of the more crazy shit that can happen in that universe and they've dropped the ball. It's essentially just more of the same in each movie. Sure, there's a market for that, but it's no where near as big as they expect it to be after the initial "bump" that came from bringing it back.
On top of that, they put a very average movie (that honestly, nobody really asked for) in a very busy release schedule. Infinity War, Deadpool 2 and Jurassic World 2 are all major movies and all 3 have had a consistent stream of positive advertisement and media attention. The previous 3 Star Wars movies have had the advantage of being the "must see" movie upon release, while Solo has a ridiculous amount of competition.
There's many reasons for Solo failing beyond the apparent political agendas you're concerned about. It's been poorly managed.
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Yes. Its been poorly managed. Why? Because of those exact political agendas I talk about. They are putting those first, as well as attacking those who disagree, then worrying about making the films.
Consumers are used to 2-3 MCU movies? Yea, but did it start out like that? No. Between late '08 and mid '11, we got just one Marvel film. People are fine with it because they enjoy those films. If they were bad, you can guarantee they would not be pumping them out like that. SW could enjoy the same thing.
And competition? Another poor excuse. POTC:AWE made more money than Solo, and that was up against Shrek 3's 2nd week, which made more than Deadpool 2's 2nd weekend, and Spider-Man 3's 4th week, which made only a little less than IW. And POTC is not SW.
I know you like to imagine that the people who are boycotting the film, and disagree with Kathleen Kennedy and crew's political agenda, makes up, what? 5% of the fanbase. But you're wrong. It's much larger than that. And they are joined by people who probably mostly agree with her, but they don't want that crap in their SW, especially so poorly implemented.
areason said:
thismeintiel said:
Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings.
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What was the domestic OW?
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~$83.3M. Even less than the lowest of expectations.