I'd love for someone to tell me that in my face. Oh boy wouldn't I love that.

I'd tell them: Yeah sure I'm a loser. Let's talk about this issue next time your girl friend/wife cheats on you or you on her or when you guys argue or when she decides something you don't like and must do it cause you can't have it all your way. Or maybe she divorces you, takes your kids away from you and on top of her screwing you, she gets a judge to force you to pay alimony, yes that means you must pay money to your ex wife every month cause her leaving you and stealing your kids apparently isn't punishment enough.

But that's nothing, let's talk about this again when you have kids and you see the bills for raising them, when they get hurt or are sick and you must get out of bed at 4 am cause they are puking and super hot with fever and you must run to the hospital. Hoping it's not even worse as in your kids getting run over by a car or disappearing. Or maybe they grow up healthy but start screwing around when they are teens, do drugs, hurt someone else, get arrested, commit suicide etc...

And let's not forget how you are no longer your own man, how TV at home must be shared with the wife and kids, how you can't play your video games till 4 am cause 1: you will risk waking everybody up with the TV noise and 2: you need to get to your job early the next morning cause you don't have a choice as your family costs a lot of money and you are nothing more than your boss's wage slave.

And shall we talk about the rest, not being able to truly choose where to go on vacation cause it can only be places that can accommodate the entire family, not being able to check out pretty girls cause the wife won't allow it and so on...

So yeah at that point remind me then how much of a loser I am simply cause I'm single.

No need for over-coping, nature handed you a bad set of cards I assume, you have to deal with it now unfortunately.

Nature? What do you mean? I don't have to deal with anything dude, I am free. You (probably) have to deal with part and maybe one day all I explained in my previous post.

Also I'm not over-coping, I'm just being realistic.

Sex ≠ Commitment though

True. I guess those who get the best deal are the ones who sleep with girls casually and when morning comes, say bye bye.

But they better not forget using a condom cause otherwise they could very well end up having to pay a lot for their night of fun

I thought you were incel, but I assume you are mgtow by choice? I could see that as a phase but not a goal in life.

Alright, lots of names being thrown here. To be honest I did not know what "incel" meant prior to opening this thread and now I had to check "MGTOW" cause I had never heard that acronym either.

But after checking both, yeah I guess I'm definitely some kind of MGTOW. Though if you must know I'm actually what the Japanese call "Hikikomori" at least to a significant extent and I don't give in to peer pressure or any kind of social standards so you definitely can say I go my own way. It has its pros and its cons. I guess a thread on this topic would be relevant.

And I wouldn't call it a goal in life, just a logical conclusion that I did not choose or dreamed of when I was a kid but that suits me well now that I got my nose rubbed in it.

Throughout history men that are sexually fustrated have taken that fustration out on innocent people, nothing new.

Some societies see that fustration and will bluepill a guy before he goes postal for the sake of its survival.....aka arranged marriages.

My thing is its so easy today to get laid, between hookers and escort services that i believe the people that claim to be “incels” are just looking for a cop out to kill people because they are just plain ole killers.

imho, men today are better off going the hooker route, its life on easy mode.

Not really a viable solution for many unfortunately.

A major component of incel is not just a lack of sex itself but also physical and emotional intimacy, and a feeling of being "good enough". You don't get that with prostitutes; they're not with you because they like you or think you're good enough, it's like printing a University degree off Google Images, you didn't earn it so it has no value. And it doesn't solve the intimacy issue either, in that respect it's like telling a starving person "here, eat this cardboard".

Well, it sounds like it's not the sex you crave then, it's friendships. While you may not be able to find a significant other, maybe you can make some really close friends that will help fill that loneliness that you have.