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Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

You must be living in a bubble to say reviewers are professionals that don't give scores for click bait....

I'll give one example... girl reviewed GT5 for a 4/10 with the justification that simulators are pointless and racing in circles is meaningless.

Are you also going to downgrade the 3 review sites that gave the game a 95/100? If so than your point is valid, if you are just going to nit pick the 2 low scores than you need to nit pick the 2,3 high scores as well.

In fact why even review the game, seems like everyone needs to have the same opinion, lets all just give the game a 9/10 because anyone else with a different opinion should not be allowed to review a game.

I am loving SOD2, I couldn't care less that its sitting on a 68 meta, just play the game if you enjoy it.

Why don’t you take on CGI-Quality instead?

Last edited by Hynad - on 26 May 2018

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Metroid33slayer said:
I don't think quantic dream will ever top heavy rain.

Dunno at the moment I would say this is close.... I've got things I'm meant to do but all I can think about is playing the game :D



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!

Reminds me of Knack. I am currently playing it and while it isn't a great game and probably deserves a 65-75, I really can't fathom why someone would give it a 25/100 without the game being completely broken. Maybe that was their experience, I don't know, but from what I played it is pretty clean. There are a few other extremely low scores as well, and Ryse son of rome similarly got low scores despite many people saying it was a decent game. I can only conclude that hype really affected certain reviewers.



How's the HDR implementation is this game? I'm still not done with God of War yet looking for more HDR games, so pretty when done right.



CGI-Quality said:
Hynad said:

Why don’t you take on CGI-Quality instead?

Now why would he want to try that?

I don't know. You discussed the low reviews and questioned their motive, same as Don. Yet, for some reason, he's the one he chooses to express how the negative reviews for this PS exclusive should be treated the same as the highest scores it got.

Go figure. 

Maybe he knows you're [like me] a huge fan of Quantic Dream's games, and simply knows better than to argue any of that with you.



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Hynad said:
CGI-Quality said:

Now why would he want to try that?

I don't know. You discussed the low reviews and questioned their motive, same as Don. Yet, for some reason, he's the one he chooses to express how the negative reviews for this PS exclusive should be treated the same as the highest scores it got.

Go figure. 

Maybe he knows you're [like me] a huge fan of Quantic Dream's games, and simply knows better than to argue any of that with you.

It's good to see this game well protected around here.

 

Easy to pick the most negative reviews to bash it but as CGI told me a metacritic around 80 is actually pretty impressive for this genre. Didn't until dawn get the same score and it won a few game of the year awards in it's class? 



Errorist76 said:
DonFerrari said:

You must be living in a bubble to say reviewers are professionals that don't give scores for click bait....

I'll give one example... girl reviewed GT5 for a 4/10 with the justification that simulators are pointless and racing in circles is meaningless.

Reviewers used to be professionals. Not anymore though, at least not many. Your son is the perfect example.

My son? Do you mean GT5 because I love it?

yvanjean said:
DonFerrari said:

You must be living in a bubble to say reviewers are professionals that don't give scores for click bait....

I'll give one example... girl reviewed GT5 for a 4/10 with the justification that simulators are pointless and racing in circles is meaningless.

Reviews won’t get a good reputation & remain in the industry long if they don’t have a level of professionalism, they will get called out or discredited by their peers and readers. Everything they write is available for all to see & will affect their portfolio. They need a fan base to remain relevant and that fan base will held them accountable. 

Metacritic only have approved reviewers so they have a standard to maintain.

As for your example who was the reviewer and where is she now? Probably not writing reviews.

It must be fantastic to live in this world of yours...

You probably missed the GoW thread with multiple links of reviewers spoiling they would give low scores to get clicks.

Journalism lost professionalism over 10 years or more ago.

This journalist? Go and look for the meta of GT5, and considering publications have editors who approve content, the reviewer in question didn't publish hidden. And I don't make a job of looking what happens with any reviewers since I don't give then relevance since their work is poor. For GT games I stick to the handfull or less that are specialist in racing/simulation for the gaming part and DF and Arstecnica for the eye candy. Most of other reviewers don't even know how to review a game of this type.

Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

You must be living in a bubble to say reviewers are professionals that don't give scores for click bait....

I'll give one example... girl reviewed GT5 for a 4/10 with the justification that simulators are pointless and racing in circles is meaningless.

Are you also going to downgrade the 3 review sites that gave the game a 95/100? If so than your point is valid, if you are just going to nit pick the 2 low scores than you need to nit pick the 2,3 high scores as well.

In fact why even review the game, seems like everyone needs to have the same opinion, lets all just give the game a 9/10 because anyone else with a different opinion should not be allowed to review a game.

I am loving SOD2, I couldn't care less that its sitting on a 68 meta, just play the game if you enjoy it.

Azz as always you like to be wrong right?

If a game is hovering in the 80 range, a 40 review (which is one the broken level) is a more than twice away from the average than the 95, which even if probably much higher than perhaps it should can be understand as someone that really like the game (like if CGI-like was the reviewer) and the genre so he will be distorted higher.

For someone that say have too many great games to play and that his userbase doesn't discuss you enter to many discussion to defend MS and criticize Sony... shall we look at your comments on SoT reviews?

And about the ridiculous claim of everyone needing to have same opinion. For a game that is reasonably well done and doesn't have major flaws averaging 80, the 70-90 range with people liking and disliking the game (without making personal taste get in the way of the objective part) is reasonable. 40 is troll and clickbaiting level.

But I appreciate you infering I'm biased fanboy. You one of the most neutral person on the forums.

CGI-Quality said:
Hynad said:

Why don’t you take on CGI-Quality instead?

Now why would he want to try that?

Perhaps because you gave him some harsh answers on his comments about persecution mania.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Kerotan said:
Hynad said:

I don't know. You discussed the low reviews and questioned their motive, same as Don. Yet, for some reason, he's the one he chooses to express how the negative reviews for this PS exclusive should be treated the same as the highest scores it got.

Go figure. 

Maybe he knows you're [like me] a huge fan of Quantic Dream's games, and simply knows better than to argue any of that with you.

It's good to see this game well protected around here.

 

Easy to pick the most negative reviews to bash it but as CGI told me a metacritic around 80 is actually pretty impressive for this genre. Didn't until dawn get the same score and it won a few game of the year awards in it's class? 

I really liked Until Dawn even if I discovered the mistery as soon as the prologue ended.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VGPolyglot said:
Aura7541 said:

The arbitrary scoring of a game and having a standard metric of scoring a game are not mutually exclusive. A lack of standard metric opens the door to high variance, which isn't a good thing. It can be a problem if two reviews offer very similar opinions, but give a game numerically different scores. At that point, it's meaningless to even have numerical scores if they are less informative than the written reviews. This is not to say the number is more important than what is written, but if you want to involve numbers, then the numbers need to be more informative. Maintaining a more consistent standard will help achieve that goal.

How are we going to reach a consistent standard though? The different sites/reviewers would have to collectively agree on a standardized meaning for their scores, which I do not see happening.

Sites like Metacritic and Opencritic, since they are responsible for aggregating all the scores, would need to ask the sites to adjust their scales accordingly. People can Tweet them or contact them through other means as a way to convince them.

However, I wasn't talking about the chances of the sites collectively agreeing on a standardized meaning. I was merely making a counterargument that having a lack of standard metric leads to a higher variance. You want to have the least amount of statistical noise as possible so that you can get a more accurate average.



Hynad said:
Azzanation said:

Are you also going to downgrade the 3 review sites that gave the game a 95/100? If so than your point is valid, if you are just going to nit pick the 2 low scores than you need to nit pick the 2,3 high scores as well.

In fact why even review the game, seems like everyone needs to have the same opinion, lets all just give the game a 9/10 because anyone else with a different opinion should not be allowed to review a game.

I am loving SOD2, I couldn't care less that its sitting on a 68 meta, just play the game if you enjoy it.

Why don’t you take on CGI-Quality instead?

I think they can both read my post. If I didn't want CGI to read my post I wouldn't have made it that obvious. Thanks for caring though. CGI is welcome to comment back if he wishes. 

DonFerrari said:

 

 

Azzanation said:

Are you also going to downgrade the 3 review sites that gave the game a 95/100? If so than your point is valid, if you are just going to nit pick the 2 low scores than you need to nit pick the 2,3 high scores as well.

In fact why even review the game, seems like everyone needs to have the same opinion, lets all just give the game a 9/10 because anyone else with a different opinion should not be allowed to review a game.

I am loving SOD2, I couldn't care less that its sitting on a 68 meta, just play the game if you enjoy it.

Azz as always you like to be wrong right?

If a game is hovering in the 80 range, a 40 review (which is one the broken level) is a more than twice away from the average than the 95, which even if probably much higher than perhaps it should can be understand as someone that really like the game (like if CGI-like was the reviewer) and the genre so he will be distorted higher.

For someone that say have too many great games to play and that his userbase doesn't discuss you enter to many discussion to defend MS and criticize Sony... shall we look at your comments on SoT reviews?

And about the ridiculous claim of everyone needing to have same opinion. For a game that is reasonably well done and doesn't have major flaws averaging 80, the 70-90 range with people liking and disliking the game (without making personal taste get in the way of the objective part) is reasonable. 40 is troll and clickbaiting level.

But I appreciate you infering I'm biased fanboy. You one of the most neutral person on the forums.


 

Way to spin my entire post. I honestly couldn't expect anything different from you so no I am not surprised.

This isn't about being bias, this happens to most games not just PS exclusives. Why do you care so much on these little things? No game is perfect and everyone has the right to there opinion. Its easy to pick out the negative reviews as trolls and easy to keep the extremely positive reviews that aren't trolls. Do you complain about the competitor games copping the same treatment?

Did you know Gran Turismo Sport sits on a 75 meta, did you call out Troll reviews to the 4 Reviewers who gave the game above 90 scores and 1 of those being the only 100 score? That's a bit high above the average correct? With your logic, there troll reviews as well correct? I cant recall you calling them troll reviews though.. interesting.

Like I said I play games no matter the meta score, I suggest you do the same. Also I cannot play my games at work, so ill definitely jumping on some the moment I get home, after I am done replying to these posts at work, oh wait.. you hate Phil for using Tweeter because his the boss and should be making games instead because his the developer and all, I guess because I am the boss at my work I am not allowed to use social media either because I should be making games or something instead of posting on VGC.. 

Bottom line, ignore the scores, just enjoy the games you like, that's what I do.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 26 May 2018