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Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

So Sony gets people because they make great games and Nintendo gets people because of nostalgia? Well that needs to change then.

I never said anything similar to that... again. You did it again. If I didn't know any better, I would think that you're manipulating my words in order to create easier statements for you to refute xD

 

Sony gets people by creating games for teenagers to adults. Nintendo gets people by creating games for kids to adults, including teenagers. So, for Sony there's no point in creating something like Labo. Nostalgia has nothing to do with this. If anything, both companies use it without hesitation.

 

I'm done with this topic.

Well there must be a reason why Sony keeps doing better in the console market. I mean if Nintendo is appealing to everyone Sony does AND kids, then shouldn't Nintendo be the ones on top?



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Mandalore76 said:
zorg1000 said:

Their glory days?

Are you talking about the NES/GB era when they bundled a toy gun/robot and a casual puzzle game?

Or maybe the DS/Wii when a pet simulator, motion control minigames and education/fitness titles were the biggest system sellers?

 

Kinda interesting that their 2 best selling handhelds and 2 best selling consoles had a very strong kid/family/casual fanbase.

Let's not acknowledge the fact that the sole purpose of that robot was to even get the NES onto retailer shelves in the first place.  R.O.B. was never supposed to catch fire with casual gamers.  They only created 2 games for R.O.B in the first place, because it had one purpose and one purpose only.  Get a video game system into the US market after the North American Video Game Crash when retailers wanted nothing to do with video games.  

Alright, ill give you that but my point remains the same. Releasing a few experimental, casual titles does not prevent the hardcore/traditional software that AlfredoTurkey holds so dear from releasing.

Casual games like 1 2 Switch & Labo are not holding Nintendo back from releasing games like Zelda, Super Mario, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Xenoblade, etc. Or from courting 3rd parties to bring over games like Skyrim, Doom, Dark Souls, Wofenstein, Dragon Quest, etc.

The same goes for previous consoles. Things like Singstar, PS Eye, PS Move, Guitar Hero/Rock Band & Kinect did not stop Sony, Microsoft & 3rd parties from releasing games like Halo, Gears, Forza, Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, GTA, Fallout, Bioshock, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, etc.

 

Wanting these types of games to fail so that developers can focus on "real" games is a nonsense argument.



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Rogerioandrade said:

I still couldn´t try it for myself..... but it does seems a lot of fun, specially for anyone who is interested in crafting and building.

By what I´ve seen and heard so far, it seems that the games are simplistic, with the exception of the piano software, which seems to be the  one that has more things to do.

I think the whole point of Labo is to be creative. Some people are already making fun and impressive stuff with customization and creations with the Toy-con garage, like these:

Magic Box (Dice) :    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mblVElyqKoU



Baylee FANTASTIC Labo Piano customization:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRQbDNGjlg

By the way..... someone mentioned The Know here... well... for them, everything Nintendo does is a failure. Sales may seems small, but I think it makes more sense comparing it to the sales of similar toys than with other videogames.

That's why I need this thing! There's so much crazy stuff you can create. Just thinking of all the possible silly drinking games I could make with it makes me more excited than I've ever been!



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

I never said anything similar to that... again. You did it again. If I didn't know any better, I would think that you're manipulating my words in order to create easier statements for you to refute xD

 

Sony gets people by creating games for teenagers to adults. Nintendo gets people by creating games for kids to adults, including teenagers. So, for Sony there's no point in creating something like Labo. Nostalgia has nothing to do with this. If anything, both companies use it without hesitation.

 

I'm done with this topic.

Well there must be a reason why Sony keeps doing better in the console market. I mean if Nintendo is appealing to everyone Sony does AND kids, then shouldn't Nintendo be the ones on top?

You literally just did it again, you arent actually refuting any of the things hes saying, instead making up arguments he never made.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
Mandalore76 said:

Let's not acknowledge the fact that the sole purpose of that robot was to even get the NES onto retailer shelves in the first place.  R.O.B. was never supposed to catch fire with casual gamers.  They only created 2 games for R.O.B in the first place, because it had one purpose and one purpose only.  Get a video game system into the US market after the North American Video Game Crash when retailers wanted nothing to do with video games.  

Alright, ill give you that but my point remains the same. Releasing a few experimental, casual titles does not prevent the hardcore/traditional software that AlfredoTurkey holds so dear from releasing.

Casual games like 1 2 Switch & Labo are not holding Nintendo back from releasing games like Zelda, Super Mario, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Xenoblade, etc. Or from courting 3rd parties to bring over games like Skyrim, Doom, Dark Souls, Wofenstein, Dragon Quest, etc.

The same goes for previous consoles. Things like Singstar, PS Eye, PS Move, Guitar Hero/Rock Band & Kinect did not stop Sony, Microsoft & 3rd parties from releasing games like Halo, Gears, Forza, Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, GTA, Fallout, Bioshock, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, etc.

 

Wanting these types of games to fail so that developers can focus on "real" games is a nonsense argument.

If Nintendo had the third party support of PlayStation and Xbox, then we wouldn't have this discussion. Labo would just be a silly little thing for kids. Its just that Nintendo doesn't have that support and Labo is their big game for Q2 along with Mario Tennis.

I don't see Labo as a great addition to a growing diverse library of games on the Switch. I see it as a reason for gamers who might be interested in Nintendo consoles to point at and say "Yeah, theres a good reason as to why I avoid Nintendo consoles. Its just not for me. Its for kids."

Like Wii Sports was insanely popular for a bit. It drew in soccer moms and grandparents, but that was all it did. Maybe a few of them picked up Mario Kart and NSMBWii as well, but that's just it. It doesn't help anyone in the long run. Grandma is not going "That was a fun game of bowling, dear. Now lets tear up some ass in Doom!"

These kinda games doesn't draw in as many people as they put off I believe.



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zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

Well there must be a reason why Sony keeps doing better in the console market. I mean if Nintendo is appealing to everyone Sony does AND kids, then shouldn't Nintendo be the ones on top?

You literally just did it again, you arent actually refuting any of the things hes saying, instead making up arguments he never made.

Well he says Nintendo should appeal to kids in order to make them fans in the long run, but Sony doesn't do that and are more successful. I don't know what he expect me to say...



KLXVER said:
zorg1000 said:

Alright, ill give you that but my point remains the same. Releasing a few experimental, casual titles does not prevent the hardcore/traditional software that AlfredoTurkey holds so dear from releasing.

Casual games like 1 2 Switch & Labo are not holding Nintendo back from releasing games like Zelda, Super Mario, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Xenoblade, etc. Or from courting 3rd parties to bring over games like Skyrim, Doom, Dark Souls, Wofenstein, Dragon Quest, etc.

The same goes for previous consoles. Things like Singstar, PS Eye, PS Move, Guitar Hero/Rock Band & Kinect did not stop Sony, Microsoft & 3rd parties from releasing games like Halo, Gears, Forza, Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, GTA, Fallout, Bioshock, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, etc.

 

Wanting these types of games to fail so that developers can focus on "real" games is a nonsense argument.

If Nintendo had the third party support of PlayStation and Xbox, then we wouldn't have this discussion. Labo would just be a silly little thing for kids. Its just that Nintendo doesn't have that support and Labo is their big game for Q2 along with Mario Tennis.

I don't see Labo as a great addition to a growing diverse library of games on the Switch. I see it as a reason for gamers who might be interested in Nintendo consoles to point at and say "Yeah, theres a good reason as to why I avoid Nintendo consoles. Its just not for me. Its for kids."

Like Wii Sports was insanely popular for a bit. It drew in soccer moms and grandparents, but that was all it did. Maybe a few of them picked up Mario Kart and NSMBWii as well, but that's just it. It doesn't help anyone in the long run. Grandma is not going "That was a fun game of bowling, dear. Now lets tear up some ass in Doom!"

These kinda games doesn't draw in as many people as they put off I believe.

If you dont like Labo than maybe play one of the other 600+ games currently on the system.

Anybody who would let a single kid/casual game prevent them from buying a system they were interested in has some serious growing up to do.

What does that have to do with anything? Who cares if Wii Sports didnt cause people to want to play Doom? What kind of nonsense argument is that?

Why is it seen as a bad thing to want to appeal to as many demographics as possible? Why would anybody want the entire gaming market to just be 13-35 year old males?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

KLXVER said:
zorg1000 said:

You literally just did it again, you arent actually refuting any of the things hes saying, instead making up arguments he never made.

Well he says Nintendo should appeal to kids in order to make them fans in the long run, but Sony doesn't do that and are more successful. I don't know what he expect me to say...

A few years ago the head of Playstation literally said a healthy Nintendo is vital to the game industry because they bring in a large children market, many of which grow up to play on Playstation.

Also, Nintendo has outshipped Sony in 16 of the 23 years since Playstation released.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

If Nintendo had the third party support of PlayStation and Xbox, then we wouldn't have this discussion. Labo would just be a silly little thing for kids. Its just that Nintendo doesn't have that support and Labo is their big game for Q2 along with Mario Tennis.

I don't see Labo as a great addition to a growing diverse library of games on the Switch. I see it as a reason for gamers who might be interested in Nintendo consoles to point at and say "Yeah, theres a good reason as to why I avoid Nintendo consoles. Its just not for me. Its for kids."

Like Wii Sports was insanely popular for a bit. It drew in soccer moms and grandparents, but that was all it did. Maybe a few of them picked up Mario Kart and NSMBWii as well, but that's just it. It doesn't help anyone in the long run. Grandma is not going "That was a fun game of bowling, dear. Now lets tear up some ass in Doom!"

These kinda games doesn't draw in as many people as they put off I believe.

If you dont like Labo than maybe play one of the other 600+ games currently on the system.

Anybody who would let a single kid/casual game prevent them from buying a system they were interested in has some serious growing up to do.

What does that have to do with anything? Who cares if Wii Sports didnt cause people to want to play Doom? What kind of nonsense argument is that?

Why is it seen as a bad thing to want to appeal to as many demographics as possible? Why would anybody want the entire gaming market to just be 13-35 year old males?

That's always the argument. Its just one game. Its just two games. Its just a few games. Yeah, well they matter to a lot of people. 

What am I going to say "Oh, theres 600 games on the system?! My apologies, sir. Ill start right away" 

Its about the image of the system. Labo is heavily promoted. You know a few games on the Eshop if you watched a random Nintendo Direct that was announced 12 hours before it started and ran from 6pm to 6.13pm. Then you might know a couple of them. 

Ive played most of the big new games...and some older ports. And I'm starting to feel the good old drought once again. Many gamers do. Just because you enjoy all 600 games on the Switch doesn't mean everyone else do.



zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

Well he says Nintendo should appeal to kids in order to make them fans in the long run, but Sony doesn't do that and are more successful. I don't know what he expect me to say...

A few years ago the head of Playstation literally said a healthy Nintendo is vital to the game industry because they bring in a large children market, many of which grow up to play on Playstation.

Also, Nintendo has outshipped Sony in 16 of the 23 years since Playstation released.

Yeah, great news for Sony I guess.

I'm talking about the console market. Not the handheld one. Nice try though.