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HoangNhatAnh on 09 May 2018
JRPGfan said:
caffeinade said:

There is no information on an X3 out there.
No product has been confirmed (that I know of).
Can you prove that another low power Tegra is being made?

Xavier is the closest thing to an X3 we know of.
Xavier doesn't look to be a good fit for the Switch.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-drive-xavier-soc-detailed/

I don't know about you, but I don't think a 350mm^2 SoC going inside a Nintendo portable.
The Switch isn't an autonomous vehicle.

350mm^2 is Huge..... noway thats going into a new switch.

also "The chip delivers 1.3 TFLOPs of peak FP32 performance"  "The chip delivers all of this compute at just 20W".

That doesnt sound impressive to me.

AMD's 2500U is probably better suited for gameing than this Huge Soc from Nvidia called Xavier is.
And that ll be a small cheap chip, compaired to this one (thats designed for cars).

Maybe Nintendo Switch's to AMD APUs for the next Switch?

And how much that AMD chip cost? Nvidia can make an especially small custom X3 chip for New Switch only in the next 2 years, you know



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JRPGfan on 09 May 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
JRPGfan said:

350mm^2 is Huge..... noway thats going into a new switch.

also "The chip delivers 1.3 TFLOPs of peak FP32 performance"  "The chip delivers all of this compute at just 20W".

That doesnt sound impressive to me.

AMD's 2500U is probably better suited for gameing than this Huge Soc from Nvidia called Xavier is.
And that ll be a small cheap chip, compaired to this one (thats designed for cars).

Maybe Nintendo Switch's to AMD APUs for the next Switch?

And how much that AMD chip cost? Nvidia can make an especially small custom X3 chip for New Switch only in the next 2 years, you know

And how much will it cost to ask Nvidia to make a fully new completely costum chip?
Probably alot....

Amd already has a apu that can do what Nvidia want, if they want a 20-25w ~1.3 Tflop chip.
They would just need to order x amount = done.



caffeinade on 09 May 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
caffeinade said:

There is no information on an X3 out there.
No product has been confirmed (that I know of).
Can you prove that another low power Tegra is being made?

Xavier is the closest thing to an X3 we know of.
Xavier doesn't look to be a good fit for the Switch.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-drive-xavier-soc-detailed/

I don't know about you, but I don't think a 350mm^2 SoC going inside a Nintendo portable.
The Switch isn't an autonomous vehicle.

It isn't like there won't be a small custom X3 chip which is made especially for New Switch 

It isn't like there will be.
There has been no confirmation of such a chip.

It'd probably have to be very custom, to fit the Switch's needs.

JRPGfan said:
caffeinade said:

There is no information on an X3 out there.
No product has been confirmed (that I know of).
Can you prove that another low power Tegra is being made?

Xavier is the closest thing to an X3 we know of.
Xavier doesn't look to be a good fit for the Switch.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-drive-xavier-soc-detailed/

I don't know about you, but I don't think a 350mm^2 SoC going inside a Nintendo portable.
The Switch isn't an autonomous vehicle.

350mm^2 is Huge..... noway thats going into a new switch.

also "The chip delivers 1.3 TFLOPs of peak FP32 performance"  "The chip delivers all of this compute at just 20W".

That doesnt sound impressive to me.

AMD's 2500U is probably better suited for gameing than this Huge Soc from Nvidia called Xavier is.
And that ll be a small cheap chip, compaired to this one (thats designed for cars).

Maybe Nintendo Switch's to AMD APUs for the next Switch?

Yes, 350mm^2 is massive for a mobile SoC, and is roughly acceptable for a high end GPU.
The GTX 1080 takes up 314mm^2 on TSMC's 16nm.
Xavier wasn't designed to impress you.
It has eight cores, all of which sound like they are going to be reasonably powerful.

AMD, Nvidia, or even Intel, it is all up to Nintendo.
It sounds like Nintendo is really into Nvidia right now.
That isn't necessarily a bad thing for them, Nvidia can design a better mobile SoC (if Nintendo is willing to pay for it).

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potato_hamster on 09 May 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
JRPGfan said:

350mm^2 is Huge..... noway thats going into a new switch.

also "The chip delivers 1.3 TFLOPs of peak FP32 performance"  "The chip delivers all of this compute at just 20W".

That doesnt sound impressive to me.

AMD's 2500U is probably better suited for gameing than this Huge Soc from Nvidia called Xavier is.
And that ll be a small cheap chip, compaired to this one (thats designed for cars).

Maybe Nintendo Switch's to AMD APUs for the next Switch?

And how much that AMD chip cost? Nvidia can make an especially small custom X3 chip for New Switch only in the next 2 years, you know

They can? With a similar power draw, simliar TDP and a similar price point so that it can be used in a handheld in the next 2 years?

Do tell.



HoangNhatAnh on 09 May 2018
JRPGfan said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

And how much that AMD chip cost? Nvidia can make an especially small custom X3 chip for New Switch only in the next 2 years, you know

And how much will it cost to ask Nvidia to make a fully new completely costum chip?
Probably alot....

Amd already has a apu that can do what Nvidia want, if they want a 20-25w ~1.3 Tflop chip.
They would just need to order x amount = done.

So basically both companies can't do that now, OK



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HoangNhatAnh on 09 May 2018
potato_hamster said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

And how much that AMD chip cost? Nvidia can make an especially small custom X3 chip for New Switch only in the next 2 years, you know

They can? With a similar power draw, simliar TDP and a similar price point so that it can be used in a handheld in the next 2 years?

Do tell.

And how AMD chip cost $250 - $300 only for the next 2 years? Good will maybe



Pemalite on 09 May 2018
Conina said:

Point taken. I only looked for "2160p" and forgot that 16:10-displays were still popular back then. My bad.

But I doubt that I would have been happy with one of these monitors for gaming with their low frequency (up to 41 Hz), they were more specialized for static images.

You weren't going to be doing 60fps on hardware back then at any super high resolution anyway, hardware had insufficient frame-buffers for starters.
But the point I was trying to convey was that you could have those resolutions.


JRPGfan said:

350mm^2 is Huge..... noway thats going into a new switch.

Agreed. Way to expensive.

JRPGfan said:

also "The chip delivers 1.3 TFLOPs of peak FP32 performance"  "The chip delivers all of this compute at just 20W".

That doesnt sound impressive to me.

Maybe it is because you are only focused on flops.
Stop doing that... And you might finally wake up to the fact there is more to a SoC than single precision floating point.

JRPGfan said:

Maybe Nintendo Switch's to AMD APUs for the next Switch?

No.

HoangNhatAnh said:

It isn't like there won't be a small custom X3 chip which is made especially for New Switch 

They won't need to. Nor does Nintendo seem to have the desire of going the semi-custom route anymore either.
There is already a drop-in replacement chip for a new Switch that has been on the market for several years... And she can offer 50% or more performance in the same power envelope... And in my opinion is what the Switch should have debuted with in the first place.




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Conina on 11 May 2018


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  • it's much easier to scale up than to scale down
  • a PS4 system with the same hardware design (for 100% compatible) shrinked to 7nm would probably still need up to 50 W
  • such a shrinked 100% compatible device would still be much bigger than a Switch and need much more battery capacity
  • for a less powerful "720p PS4 handheld" EVERY PS4 game would have to be patched or reworked extensivly 
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potato_hamster on 13 May 2018
Conina said:


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  • it's much easier to scale up than to scale down
  • a PS4 system with the same hardware design (for 100% compatible) shrinked to 7nm would probably still need up to 50 W
  • such a shrinked 100% compatible device would still be much bigger than a Switch and need much more battery capacity
  • for a less powerful "720p PS4 handheld" EVERY PS4 game would have to be patched or reworked extensivly 

So... literally everything I already said.



Pemalite on 14 May 2018
Conina said:

 
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  • it's much easier to scale up than to scale down
  • a PS4 system with the same hardware design (for 100% compatible) shrinked to 7nm would probably still need up to 50 W
  • such a shrinked 100% compatible device would still be much bigger than a Switch and need much more battery capacity
  • for a less powerful "720p PS4 handheld" EVERY PS4 game would have to be patched or reworked extensivly 


Which is why I suggest going with a new chip, rather than take an old, inefficient, power hungry design like the Playstation 4 SoC and shrinking it to 7nm.
You can still retain 100% compatibility with a newer chip design you know.

* For 720P though... If you have a 720P display, the games can still render at their original resolutions and super-sample them downwards.
I would much rather a 1080P IPS display at a minimum though. 720P is disgusting regardless of screen size.




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