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JRPGfan said:
Barkley said:

Right, but my point wasn't just that they rated PlayStation games lower than Meta, my point was that they do it to a greater degree then games by other companies, so it was 12.9 points lower on average for those games I listed, now let's look at the last 10 Nintendo games they reviewed.

kirby                                 Meta: 73    Edge: 70
xenoblade                       Meta: 83    Edge: 70
fe warriors                       Meta: 74    Edge: 70
metroid                            Meta: 85    Edge: 60
smo                                   Meta: 97    Edge: 100
mario + Rabbids              Meta: 85    Edge: 90
Hey! Pikmin                      Meta: 69   Edge: 60
Splatoon 2                         Meta: 83   Edge: 80
Arms                                  Meta: 77    Edge: 90
Super Bomberman R :    Meta: 62    Edge: 40

So that's 5.8 points lower... So recently Edge has reviewed....

PlayStation Games 12.9 points lower on average
Nintendo Games 5.8 Points lower on average


So Edge are Pro-Nintendo and Anti-Sony? it looks that way.

The post you're quoting shows Nintendo games are also scored below average, so I don't know how you could come to those two simultaneous conclusions.

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OTBWY said:
Hiku said:

Pretty sure you weren't joking when you pointed out to look at "what I suggested. Wow."

I'm not saying that there definitely is or isn't bias against a particular platform. I'd have to go through each individual reviewers scoring history and taste to get a better understanding of them. Because there are different people with different tastes behind different reviews. But feel free to declare one way or another.

I don't care what this topic is for. All I said to you was that looking back 20 years in time when the staff could have been completely different doesn't say much about how they operate today.
Furthermore, only looking at perfect 10 scores eliminates the vast majority of reviews. Including the one that's in focus today.

I made an edit about 3 minutes later (I was busy to), but you were too fast in your quotation. But now I see that there was no joke at play here.

That is exactly why it is ridiculous to claim that Edge is biased against a platform. Exactly because of what you said. It is a ridiculous claim, and me posting perfect scores suggest that they are rather diverse in their scoring and consistent over the years up until today, don't you agree?

Well the original idea here is that Edge is biased, or pro Nintendo. So that is what I commented on. Now going on to general scores (today of course), it still doesn't hold up  as they are again very diverse across all platforms. The other person could try to compare meta scores and Edge scores of Nintendo games and get about the same results I can assure you.

The only joke I made was the "Bias against Xbox exclusives" portion.
The difference is that I implied it immediately. It wasn't an afterthought that I edited in afterwards. Not sure how you thought I would take your comment as a joke without the second line you edited in afterwards, which indeed I did not see, but if you say it was intended as a joke I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Here's the thing. Me disagreeing with your method of gauging bias does not mean that I'm automatically saying that they are biased.
I some times disagree with methods regarding opinions I agree with, and they often presume I disagree with the opinion as well.
Although in this case I don't agree with any conclusion. But I would entertain the idea by looking at proposed evidence. And I think the way Barkley tallied scores is a more relevant way to gauge this because there are more ways to give preferential treatment than just the highest possible score.

I think it's fair to say that Edge in recent times generally give lower scores across the board than most publications. (That may very well be because they make use of the full scale of the scoring system better.) And also that in the past year or so they've given Playstation exclusives notably lower scores than for Nintendo. That may just be a coincidence. If anyone wants to extend that list back a few more years, I'd be interested in seeing if it changes.

Either way, scores by themselves don't say much to me. I'd have to read the review to know if the game is to my liking and if the reviewer considered the things I like a positive or negative.
For example:

Persona 5 :                          Meta - 93         Edge - 80
Nier Automata :                 Meta - 88         Edge - 80
Arms                                  Meta: 77    Edge: 90

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Xeon said:
BraLoD said:
Good old EDGE, did not even used GoW for the cover but a remaster.

Kratos doesn't need to be on the cover of Edge when he's on the cover of Men's Health.

Take that Edge!



Hiku said:
OTBWY said:

I made an edit about 3 minutes later (I was busy to), but you were too fast in your quotation. But now I see that there was no joke at play here.

That is exactly why it is ridiculous to claim that Edge is biased against a platform. Exactly because of what you said. It is a ridiculous claim, and me posting perfect scores suggest that they are rather diverse in their scoring and consistent over the years up until today, don't you agree?

Well the original idea here is that Edge is biased, or pro Nintendo. So that is what I commented on. Now going on to general scores (today of course), it still doesn't hold up  as they are again very diverse across all platforms. The other person could try to compare meta scores and Edge scores of Nintendo games and get about the same results I can assure you.

The only joke I made was the "Bias against Xbox exclusives" portion.
The difference is that I implied it immediately. It wasn't an afterthought that I edited in afterwards. Not sure how you thought I would take your comment as a joke without the second line you edited in afterwards, which indeed I did not see, but if you say it was intended as a joke I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Here's the thing. Me disagreeing with your method of gauging bias does not mean that I'm automatically saying that they are biased.
I some times disagree with methods regarding opinions I agree with, and they often presume I disagree with the opinion as well.
Although in this case I don't agree with any conclusion. But I would entertain the idea by looking at proposed evidence. And I think the way Barkley tallied scores is a more relevant way to gauge this because there are more ways to give preferential treatment than just the highest possible score.

I think it's fair to say that Edge in recent times generally give lower scores across the board than most publications. And also that in the past few years they've given Playstation exclusives notably lower scores than for Nintendo. That may just be a coincidence. If anyone wants to extend that list back a few more years, I'd be interested in seeing if it changes.

Either way, scores by themselves don't say much to me. I'd have to read the review to know if the game is to my liking and if the reviewer considered the things I like a positive or negative.
For example:

Persona 5 :                          Meta - 93         Edge - 80
Nier Automata :                 Meta - 88         Edge - 80
Arms                                  Meta: 77    Edge: 90

When they score Arms above Tekken 7 in the same issue...

EDGE just want to be EDGY

Also yeah, Nintendo games are usually very high on their scores, despite if it is the concensus or not.



Was expecting this honestly...



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Guys, 8 is still damn good, yo. No need to feel so offended now. Don't tell me this is reducing your enjoyment haha.



Gameplay > Graphics

Substance > Style

Art Direction > Realism

VGPolyglot said:
Barkley said:

-Snip- 

Now, things are a bit tricky here, I didn't notice it at first but upon others pointing it out to me I'm seeing more flaws:

 

  1. The Nintendo games don't include some 3DS games and I assume it's because of flaw #2
  2. The metric is "PlayStation exclusive" vs. "Nintendo games", which is not a 1:1 comparison, though I guess it's confusing considering that Super Bomberman R is included in there
  3. Will the list be updated now that Super Bomberman R and Hellblade are not console exclusives anymore? (or at least won't be)
  4. I'm assuming that this is a digital-only list?

 

Were any of those games not known as exclusives at the time of review? If so they should probably be excluded.
I'm also not sure why the list would be missing some 3DS games because of reason #2. 3DS games are Nintendo games in the same way that Fire Emblem Warriors is a Nintendo game for example. What games do you consider Nintendo games as opposed to Nintendo exclusives, and how does it relate to the 3DS games you're referring to that are missing?

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It just amazes me that people expect a 9 or 10 for a game thats a copy of prince of persia 2008 but with finger licking good graphics



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kirby007 said:
It just amazes me that people expect a 9 or 10 for a game thats a copy of prince of persia 2008 but with finger licking good graphics

You are the first person I see compare it to PS3 Prince of Persia...



Hiku said:
VGPolyglot said:

Now, things are a bit tricky here, I didn't notice it at first but upon others pointing it out to me I'm seeing more flaws:

 

  1. The Nintendo games don't include some 3DS games and I assume it's because of flaw #2
  2. The metric is "PlayStation exclusive" vs. "Nintendo games", which is not a 1:1 comparison, though I guess it's confusing considering that Super Bomberman R is included in there
  3. Will the list be updated now that Super Bomberman R and Hellblade are not console exclusives anymore? (or at least won't be)
  4. I'm assuming that this is a digital-only list?

 

Were any of those games not known as exclusives at the time of review? If so they should probably be excluded.
I'm also not sure why the list would be missing some 3DS games because of reason #2. 3DS games are Nintendo games in the same way that Fire Emblem Warriors is a Nintendo game for example. What games do you consider Nintendo games as opposed to Nintendo exclusives, and how does it relate to the 3DS games you're referring to that are missing?

Radiant Historia and The Alliance Alive are just two I can think of, titles where were released exclusively on a Nintendo console but not by Nintendo.