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Forums - General Discussion - What is stopping big retailers from donating their food rather than throwing it away?

The dates on most food is bs anyways. Best before is just nonsense. The only thing where the actual expiry is of concern is on medicine. Other than that you could probably eat biscuits that were "expired" a month before and get and get away with it. I remember watching something that said the actual reason for best before is that people throw away the things they brought if it goes past that date and buy more so more profit. Its a science in how to manipulate people. The only real way to tell if food is bad if you can visibly see that it's bad or smell that it's bad or taste that it's bad. That's why most food looks and tastes fine after the best before date. All you have to do is keep the food in a collection and dry place because dampness and heat are the two biggest factors for spoilage. Yeah I think it costs money to donate the food they throw away. One eqya of doing it is to incentivise these chains by offering them tax cuts if they do it much like how they get tax cuts for donating to charities. As long as it's legitimate and not scamming people, that feels like the only way, or the government itself has collection centres which cost next to nothing to get to for chains. People say we don;t need government but these private chains will; eat us alive without anyone regulating them. They know how to manipulate us and maximize profits. They'll make slaves out of people before they realize it



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Eagle367 said:
The dates on most food is bs anyways. Best before is just nonsense. The only thing where the actual expiry is of concern is on medicine. Other than that you could probably eat biscuits that were "expired" a month before and get and get away with it. I remember watching something that said the actual reason for best before is that people throw away the things they brought if it goes past that date and buy more so more profit. Its a science in how to manipulate people. The only real way to tell if food is bad if you can visibly see that it's bad or smell that it's bad or taste that it's bad. That's why most food looks and tastes fine after the best before date. All you have to do is keep the food in a collection and dry place because dampness and heat are the two biggest factors for spoilage. Yeah I think it costs money to donate the food they throw away. One eqya of doing it is to incentivise these chains by offering them tax cuts if they do it much like how they get tax cuts for donating to charities. As long as it's legitimate and not scamming people, that feels like the only way, or the government itself has collection centres which cost next to nothing to get to for chains. People say we don;t need government but these private chains will; eat us alive without anyone regulating them. They know how to manipulate us and maximize profits. They'll make slaves out of people before they realize it

Yep, pretty much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rZAT2GtmI



the problem is that they don't can...i know you are right, only because the date of a product is over, doesn't mean that it's good anymore



Well what about salad bars where the food is fresh every day? The store wants to put out fresh food that is why they toss the other food. Surely there is no liability on those because they are fresh every day and I would be purchasing it an hour sooner..



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roadkillers said:
Well what about salad bars where the food is fresh every day? The store wants to put out fresh food that is why they toss the other food. Surely there is no liability on those because they are fresh every day and I would be purchasing it an hour sooner..

There's no liability either way.  

The biggest problems are logistics, competition, and many people still think there's a liability issue.  



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Capitalism is what is stopping them. Food is a commodity that must be sold, not given. I don't like it but this is the world we live in.

Really? Then why do so many remain poor and starve under socialist regimes?

No, the problem is government, whether federal or local. Too many laws and regulations preventing companies from doing so. Even schools are not allowed to donate their food at the end of the day. Another concern is being sued. Sure, there may be so-called laws that protect companies, but that doesn't mean a judge will err on the side of those laws, even though that's supposed to be their job. Even if the company eventually wins through appeal, it could cost them thousands per case in attorney fees. That's what sadly has resulted in this settlement society. Even if they plaintiff is in the wrong, it'll cost the company less just to pay them something to make them go away. 

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thismeintiel said:

Really? Then why do so many remain poor and starve under socialist regimes?

 

Why people starve under capitalism: because of greed.

Why people starve under socialism: no incentive to do better.

thismeintiel said:

No, the problem is government, whether federal or local. Too many laws and regulations preventing companies from doing so. Even schools are not allowed to donate their food at the end of the day. Another concern is being sued. Sure, there may be so-called laws that protect companies, but that doesn't mean a judge will ere on the side of those laws, even though that's supposed to be their job. Even if the company eventually wins through appeal, it could cost them thousands per case in attorney fees. That's what sadly has resulted in this settlement society. Even if they plaintiff is in the wrong, it'll cost the company less just to pay them something to make them go away. 

People think there are laws preventing companies, but there aren't.  

Nope, it's never happened.  

"There is no available public record of anyone in the United States being sued...because of harms related to donated food."

“As long as no one has acted in a totally reckless or deliberately destructive manner, lawyers are not interested in sticking it to people who make sure the needy do not starve, Civita wrote in “Food Recovery, Donation, and the Law in Food Waste Across the Supply Chain: A Global Perspective on a US Problem.” “What is more, the very people who depend on donated food – the potential plaintiffs – hesitate to bite the hands that feed them.”"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/restaurants-that-dont-donate-because-of-liability-are-just-making-excuses-experts-say_us_577d6f92e4b0344d514dd20f



I don't know about food specifically, but I've seen supplier side restrictions on other products.
"We sell you (the store) our product at this price but you can't do anything to that could potentially devalue our product or brand without our consent."

So hypothetical scenario would be that you can't do a buy 1 get 4 deal on an iphone cause that implies the value of the iphone is really 20% of the price.



Businesses have become pretty good at efficiency. So if there is leftover, they donate it or throw it. Getting rid of it would be very little cost since they became so efficient at it, while donating often costs a lot more than ordering slightly more just to throw it away.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
Capitalism is what is stopping them. Food is a commodity that must be sold, not given. I don't like it but this is the world we live in.

That's not true, actually.  Many chain grocery stores donate tons of food to charity.  The one I worked at donated about a pallet of canned and packaged food a month to the local food bank.  They also gave away entire pallets of water after the last hurricane.

The reality is, donating new canned and packaged food is cheaper and more practical from a logistical perspective.  

However, I do know that some grocery stores do donate damaged bags of pet food to animal shelters.