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Bodhesatva on 25 May 2007

I'd point out, also, that last time the NPD numbers came out, the VGChartz' PS3 numbers were noticeably too high and the Wii numbers were very significantly low. In other words, NPD thinks the Wii is doing even better than Ioi does, and that the PS3 is doing even worse.

 

If you think this site is bad for the PS3... don't check the professional ones!

Look here for proof: http://www.vgchartz.com/news/index.php?start=10

As I stated, Wii was listed at 402,000 by NPD, and 360,000 by VGChartz: PS3 was listed at 89,200 by NPD, and 106,559 by VGChartz. VGChartz overestimated the PS3 total by 17,000, and underestimated the Wii total by 42,000. Clearly, VGChartz is biased against the Wii!

....or how about we agree that small discrepencies are always going to occur, in both directions? Had you considered the possibility that the PS3 total wasn't added last week precisely because it was overestimated? His total was almost 20,000 above that of the NPD. So, by not adding 20,000 new sales, those numbers were brought into line. 



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sharky on 25 May 2007

."...Well ,the usual data is PS3 16-17K weekly for UK and monthly for germany..against some 9-10K for the X360 in its "best markets "

 

But this is very close after PS3 launch and it is still new..one would expect it's sales to be dropping very fast.  You're talking what, that data was 3-4 weeks after PS3 launch? It's sales are naturally slowing. As of now it's probably not ahead of 360 at all. Wait until we get any new official EU sales (Germany, UK etc) and I bet 360 will be ahead. Especially given the high price of PS3.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure the 800k you're using is shipped. Companies all the time call shipped sold. Not only that but you use some pretty flimsy arguments at times. For example, you state as fact PS3 sold 25% of it's first week in all territories, because the UK said so, but you do not know if it did that anywhere else. Maybe it most places it dropped to 10% second week? Point is you just dont know, but you're taking it as 100% fact. to get to an ironclad 800k number.

 

Also can you link to Stringer or others saying 800k? Because I'd like to see how they phrase it exactly, because they probably meant shipped. 



omgwtfbbq on 25 May 2007

wasn't Diomedes the one saying that the April VGChartz numbers were completely wrong and that the PS3 would sell 130k and the Wii 200k? I know a thread like that existed but I can't seem to find it. If anyone can find it and prove me right/wrong I would be grateful



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DKII on 26 May 2007

Where exactly do you get that the PS3 regularly sells 16-17k a week in the UK? They haven't done that since the 3rd or 4th week after launch, it's steadily declined since then.



Kenban on 26 May 2007
Diomedes1976 said:
I am not saying Ioi is putting fake numbers purposedly ,of course .But his sources dont seem unbiased . Each time is harder and harder to deny the evidence this site has something against the PS3 .When it was only that ioi was Wiigamer and the Wii numbers were too high by say half a million it was bad enough.The same when some moderators,administrators and posters entered daily the Sony doomed and Sony is screwed posts with the same joy as the Wii will win ones .But right now things are done in a very subtle way and always in the same direction . I mean ,examples : Japan numbers are always somewhat inflated here from the Media Create ones .Apparently it was due to vgchartz adding the numbers from other minor asian regions .Well ,for the last weeks the numbers for all the other consoles are somewhat inflated ...except for PS3 wich sales are reported to be lower than the sales given by Media Create . The NA number for PS3 ,while we had monthly data ,was made exactly by adding the Canada and the US number from NPD .OK with that .The issue comes when the numbers for both the X360 and Wii were those two numbers plus a good 15-20K plus .Why the difference ?If they were adding another country more (say Mexico ) then the PS3 should have as well some extra sales isnt it ? More ,wednesdey when they posted their estimations for the weekly NA sales the Wii was augmented in the frontpanel by about the same number ,the X360 was augmented by the same number ...and the PS3 was at 3.21 and despite vgchartz reporting some 20K sales it remained at 3.21 until the japanese data came when they put it to 3.22 .Either the link to add the PS3 sales dont work or something strange happens here . And now the european data .My god ,for the few official data we have from Gfk we know some german and UK data .We have also some software numbers for Spain ,UK ,Italy ......Well ,the usual data is PS3 16-17K weekly for UK and monthly for germany..against some 9-10K for the X360 in its "best markets " .This european sales data doesnt have any sense for anyone living here ,for what we know right now the PS3 is selling significantly better than the X360 and not very far from the Wii .For gods sake ,people are changing their X360 and games for the PS3 to purchase it at 350 euros ,all the online sales sites show the PS3 ahead ,the only official data we have shows the PS3 beating it by about 35-40% and yet here they come with some data that would mean the PS3 has sold 87K in two months in the whole PAL territory .This seems nearly like a mockery ,especially since we have seen weekly sales of 17K in Uk alone.From the launch in Rusia and Arab Emirates ,not a single word ,not a single unit added when the launchs occurred .The same with New Zealand ,one of the few countries were the Sony consoles are beating the Nintendo ones even in the handheld field . More on european sales ,I told ioi some months ago that Sony had recently announced in november last year 1 million PSP sold in Spain some 650K of wich correspond to 2006.That has even been confirmed by Nintendo by the way of providing their number and giving their market share ...PSP had more than 1 million here back november for some 1.5 million DS .Well ,it doesnt matter ,vgchartz numbers show the number of PSP sold in Spain in 2006 at 350K since then . Another example ,I have told several times that the Wii isnt sold out in my country since at least debut march ,other are reporting the same about scandinavian countries etc .Yet Ioi insists each time he writes something about Wii sales that "shipped equal sold everywhere " .He just doesnt want to hear otherwise ,thats what leads me to think he or his sources at least arent as impartial as they would like . You may prefer to ignore all this and keep saying good work and fantastic and using these numbers as facts but this site is deviating more and more from what I liked .That was ,official data ,we add it .And a great database that has dissappeared in the NA .All this discussing in the forums ,putting estimations we dont know where they come from....

 I am going to try to hit this point by point as I see it.

 I have made comments about how I don't believe Sony can win this generation.  Its based on my knowledge of the history of console sales and how to my knowledge no console has ever come back from sales this low.  I think it could still sell well but I really don't think first place is even possible for it.  I am also very pessimistic about its chances in Japan.  Again based on my knowledge of console sales and the Japanese culture.

 Media Create is not the only source of console sales figures for Japan and they are normally all close but do provide slightly different figures.   In the future I would recommend showing how they are different by giving examples.  It gives a lot more weight to your argument when you can show just how far off they are.  Since its a lot more important to work off of lifetime sales then trying to compare single weeks I got the media create figures up to May 13th.  The Wii was at 2.42 million, 360 at 360k, and PS3 at 883k.  VGChartz shows the consoles with the Wii at 2.45 million, 360 at 386k, and the PS3 at 916k.  They are all a couple of percent high here and the 360 is the farthest off, followed by the PS3 and the Wii is actually very close.  I don't really see a problem here.

 I don't have the data for North America or Europe in front of me so I am not going to try to say anything except like I said above post some hard figures and I am positive people will listen.  But I see a lot of posts about how Amazon.(insert your country domain here) shows this console is selling better then another but in reality that is just one store and cannot show how the market as a whole is doing.  Also just because you believe something is selling well or not because your local stores have/do not have stock and what your told by your local store employees does not really mean much in the overall market.  If I believed the people who work at Best Buy then they have not received a single Wii in 3 months. 



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nintendo_fanboy on 26 May 2007
omgwtfbbq said:
wasn't Diomedes the one saying that the April VGChartz numbers were completely wrong and that the PS3 would sell 130k and the Wii 200k? I know a thread like that existed but I can't seem to find it. If anyone can find it and prove me right/wrong I would be grateful

Exactly, that was very funny after NPD numbers came out! Diomedes gets more and more ridiculous for me, you can be sure that he will say these numbers are too low after some numbers come out, no matter which ones. he should start to accept reality I think.



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TheGame on 26 May 2007

I did a bit of reshearch and found out that your Spain numbers were a bit off. Nintendo sold 200.000+ more NDS than Sony sold PS2 last year... http://www.elmundo.es/navegante/2007/04/26/juegos/1177585598.html ...and we know from Sony themselves that they sold 675.000 units this same year. http://www.lavanguardia.es/gen/20070205/51305836452/noticias/sony-invertira-cinco-millones-de-euros-en-el-lanzamiento-de-la-playstation-3-en-espanya-psp-estados-unidos-playstation-2-reino-unido-oriente-medio.html That meams Nintendo sold about 900.000 DS in 2006 versus 650.000 PSP. AC Nielsen which tracks Video Games trends and sales reported that Nintendo had a 62% marketshare on next generation portable gaming (which obviously discounts the GBA) in 2006. http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/227841/0/resultados/economicos/nintendo/ They also had another report in 2005 where the NDs marketshare was 59% (400.000 units). http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_noticia.php?id=cw43dde46d4b82e&pic=GEN We don't have figures for the last few months of 2007 but I highly doubt Sony sold 700.000+ PSP and are almost on par with the number of NDSes there. Plus, software sales completely disagree with your estimations.



gebx on 26 May 2007
nintendo_fanboy said:
omgwtfbbq said:
wasn't Diomedes the one saying that the April VGChartz numbers were completely wrong and that the PS3 would sell 130k and the Wii 200k? I know a thread like that existed but I can't seem to find it. If anyone can find it and prove me right/wrong I would be grateful

Exactly, that was very funny after NPD numbers came out! Diomedes gets more and more ridiculous for me, you can be sure that he will say these numbers are too low after some numbers come out, no matter which ones. he should start to accept reality I think.


 

 

Here you go!!

 

ioi said:
Diomedes1976 said:
I dont trust the new weekly data . If this was to be believed the PS3 would dip around 100K for the month and the Wii would go to 400K .I doubt this is happening ,the PS3 has stabilized around 130K and the Wii is gradually lowering its sales not skyrocketing them . I predict a massive change of the american data of this site the same day NPD issues their numbers .

Sorry but I had to quote this one.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=1621

 



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Louie on 26 May 2007
Diomedes1976 said:
I am not saying Ioi is putting fake numbers purposedly ,of course .But his sources dont seem unbiased . Each time is harder and harder to deny the evidence this site has something against the PS3 .When it was only that ioi was Wiigamer and the Wii numbers were too high by say half a million it was bad enough.The same when some moderators,administrators and posters entered daily the Sony doomed and Sony is screwed posts with the same joy as the Wii will win ones .But right now things are done in a very subtle way and always in the same direction . I mean ,examples : Japan numbers are always somewhat inflated here from the Media Create ones .Apparently it was due to vgchartz adding the numbers from other minor asian regions .Well ,for the last weeks the numbers for all the other consoles are somewhat inflated ...except for PS3 wich sales are reported to be lower than the sales given by Media Create . The NA number for PS3 ,while we had monthly data ,was made exactly by adding the Canada and the US number from NPD .OK with that .The issue comes when the numbers for both the X360 and Wii were those two numbers plus a good 15-20K plus .Why the difference ?If they were adding another country more (say Mexico ) then the PS3 should have as well some extra sales isnt it ? More ,wednesdey when they posted their estimations for the weekly NA sales the Wii was augmented in the frontpanel by about the same number ,the X360 was augmented by the same number ...and the PS3 was at 3.21 and despite vgchartz reporting some 20K sales it remained at 3.21 until the japanese data came when they put it to 3.22 .Either the link to add the PS3 sales dont work or something strange happens here . And now the european data .My god ,for the few official data we have from Gfk we know some german and UK data .We have also some software numbers for Spain ,UK ,Italy ......Well ,the usual data is PS3 16-17K weekly for UK and monthly for germany..against some 9-10K for the X360 in its "best markets " .This european sales data doesnt have any sense for anyone living here ,for what we know right now the PS3 is selling significantly better than the X360 and not very far from the Wii .For gods sake ,people are changing their X360 and games for the PS3 to purchase it at 350 euros ,all the online sales sites show the PS3 ahead ,the only official data we have shows the PS3 beating it by about 35-40% and yet here they come with some data that would mean the PS3 has sold 87K in two months in the whole PAL territory .This seems nearly like a mockery ,especially since we have seen weekly sales of 17K in Uk alone.From the launch in Rusia and Arab Emirates ,not a single word ,not a single unit added when the launchs occurred .The same with New Zealand ,one of the few countries were the Sony consoles are beating the Nintendo ones even in the handheld field . More on european sales ,I told ioi some months ago that Sony had recently announced in november last year 1 million PSP sold in Spain some 650K of wich correspond to 2006.That has even been confirmed by Nintendo by the way of providing their number and giving their market share ...PSP had more than 1 million here back november for some 1.5 million DS .Well ,it doesnt matter ,vgchartz numbers show the number of PSP sold in Spain in 2006 at 350K since then . Another example ,I have told several times that the Wii isnt sold out in my country since at least debut march ,other are reporting the same about scandinavian countries etc .Yet Ioi insists each time he writes something about Wii sales that "shipped equal sold everywhere " .He just doesnt want to hear otherwise ,thats what leads me to think he or his sources at least arent as impartial as they would like . You may prefer to ignore all this and keep saying good work and fantastic and using these numbers as facts but this site is deviating more and more from what I liked .That was ,official data ,we add it .And a great database that has dissappeared in the NA .All this discussing in the forums ,putting estimations we dont know where they come from....

1.) If you compare weekly vgchartz Japan figures to the ones from Media Create you´ll notice that DS and Wii numbers are usually a bit lower than their media create counterparts. Maybe not last week, but in the 3 weeks before (sometimes more than 25k for DS in one week)

2.) Maybe they overestimated the PS3 in some other countries? This happened to Wii, DS, PSP, etc. Nothing to complain here, I think... they update the PS3 section as they update all the other sections.

3.) True, we had UK, France and Germany numbers and in all three countries the PS3 outsold the 360 for exactly 2 weeks and started to fall than...and fall...and fall. This happened to all other markets and if you take a look at France/German/UK numbers again - it is completely correct. 17k in UK alone happened sadly 2 months in the past... the PS3 is still not selling here, believe it. No bullying.

4.) Sony always gives you their shipment numbers, as does Nintendo. But Nintendo doesn´t ship 500 consoles if there are still 600 on the shelves - Sony does. And Nintendo just copied the numbers Sony gave. They were still ahead so they didn´t care. Don´t believe everything Sony says about their consoles and how they sell.

5.) Yes, Scandinavia may not be out of stock, but Nintendo just brings big numbers of Wii consoles to UK and France - the next biggest market is Germany and it is too small for Nintendo to ship a lot of consoles to them. Look at Europe sales charts - isn´t it crazy the PSP sells much worse than Wii in those two big markets but better than Wii in the small ones?

 

I hope I could help



Louie on 26 May 2007

Just one more question to Ioi: Would it be possible to add "all Europe" to the "Compare consoles" Charts? I´d really lke to see those numbers but comparing each console in each region reall takes some time. Would be great!