Such a stupid argument, nobody is saying graphics shouldnt improve, were saying a game doesnt automatically become better with improved visuals.

If you take two versions of the same game and everything is identical except one version has moderately better visuals, it doesnt necessarily mean someone will enjoy it more.

Obviously we want graphics and hardware in general to improve over time since many gameplay elements can only be introduced with better tech.

If you want graphics to improve, then if everything else from both versions is the same then the graphics improve the enjoyability... if it didn't them you wouldn't want graphics to improve.

I feel like you're intentionally not understanding what im saying.

If 2 versions of a game are identical except one is 900p vs 1080p, it doesnt make the game better, it makes it prettier which for some people will make the game more enjoyable and for others it will make no difference.

And yes people can want graphics to improve without caring about having the highest end version. I want graphics to evolve and improve over time

Ill use Zelda as an example

Legend of Zelda-1986

Link to the Past-1991

Ocarina of Time-1998

Twilight Princess-2006

Breath of the Wild-2017

Or i can use Mario

Super Mario Bros-1985

Super Mario World-1990

Super Mario 64-1996

Super Mario Galaxy-2007

Super Mario Odyssey-2017

I want graphics to improve over time and more importantly for new gameplay mechanics to be introduced with more advanced hardware.

I dont care about the trivial type of graphics like thinking Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild would be better games at 1080p rather than 900p.

There is a huge difference between these two things.

Except that the person perfectly happy with the Switch version didn't say he enjoys it because it looks good, he enjoys it because of the gyro controls. So in this case, exactly what would prettier graphics mean for him? It would look better, but would he enjoy it more by default?

I mean, how in the world can you follow this conversation and then post a reply saying if you don't prefer the better graphics than you should still be playing NES and Atari? It's such a colossal misunderstanding of what is being discussed that I have a hard time believing it's not deliberate and you're just arguing to argue.

Here, let me break it down easily for you. You can enjoy a game perfectly fine even if superior versions of that game exist elsewhere. Also, because of differences in each platform, you can enjoy a weaker version of a game more even if you happen to own a platform capable of playing them "better". You can prefer one controller over another. One UI over another. One online network over another.

The argument here is whether someone would enjoy a game more because it looks better, even if the user would have to sacrifice gyro controls and portability for those better graphics. No, sweetie, preferring the controls and portability over the graphics does not mean that person should just go back to Atari and NES. You are aware better hardware allows for many more advancements other than graphics?

I don't know if you own a PS4 Pro or not, but if a regular PS4 owner posted something about how much he loves Call of Duty 2k17 and someone else chimed in about how much more he'd love the game on Scorpio just because it looks better, I guarantee you'd be one of the first people in there pointing out that differences in software and UI and controllers and price and blah blah are all perfectly valid reasons for playing it on inferior hardware without affecting one's enjoyment of the game.

Not being intentional about anything.

You are reducing the difference to not easily noticeable, while the topic is a 4k Doom on X1X against a sub 900p on Switch (with also a half the fps as well) and not seeing any issue with "better graphics while the rest is kept the same doesn't improve your experience"

Shall I put again the "other things kept the same"... so if Doom Switch with gyros had the option to 720p or 4k you would pretend that 4k wouldn't be more enjoyable?

You such one that would be able to guarantee that I would say the graphical difference of Scorpio against a base PS4 is irrelevant? You are so full of yourself it's not even funny. You go and say if I had read the posts, and then pretend that the point made and rebutted was very specific "if everything else kept the same wouldn't a better graphics be more enjoyable?" if not them those people wouldn't need to have console evolving.

Yeah man all things kept the same. So I guess in your hypothetical where two platforms exist at the same price with the same libraries with the same control options using the same UI and online network but one had a 4k output and the other 720p or whatever, plus both were portable, then yeahin that bizarre never going to happen scenario it would make zero sense to pick the 720p version. Unfortunately for your hypothetical, we’re discussing reality.

The point remains the same, higher resolution does not make a game better, it makes it prettier which for some people is important, for others it doesnt matter.

We havent been talking about performance this entire time so bringing it up now it pointless, i agree that better performance can make a game better if it runs like garbage.

Nobody is claiming it cant improve your experience, we are saying that its not going to for everybody. I can tell you for a fact that i would enjoy a 1080p game on PS4 just as much as the 4K version on XBX if the only diffetence is visuals.

You may discuss whatever you want, the point was as simple as having better graphics would improve the enjoyment, that is a very ceteris paribus point.

Someone valuing gameplay, portability, price, library, input scheme or whatever is totally fine, but that wasn't the point made.

Yes yes sure.

The entire discussion began because someone was being told the better graphics would make them enjoy he game more and they replied that the graphics would come with a higher price tag, no gyro controls, and no portability. So your point is completely irrelevant and that last part of your post just confirms to me that you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. So before if you didn’t prefer better graphics then you might as well go back to gaming on 8 but consoles. But now there are valid reasons to prefer things other than graphics. Make up your mind, lol.

Your argument would be akin to me going into a thread about the best Nintendo Switch exclusive and listing Uncharted 4.

Honestly PS4/Xbone just never seemed exciting or appealing to me. Early in the gen I was able to just play the 360 version of a lot of their games, and even now that support for last gen's been dropped, I feel like I can still fill the same niche with 360 games I missed. For instance, Witcher 3 looks cool, but I never played Witcher 2 on 360, so I'll just play that instead.

Between Switch and all my retro consoles, I simply don't need a PS4/Xbone/PC.