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Teeqoz said:
Cobretti2 said:

This also happens when you leave it undocked for months and let the battery die totally lol. For some reason when it is really flat it doesn't detect that it is being charged.

You have to hold the power button down for like 30 seconds then plug it straight into the charger for about 30mins to an hour and hope it works lol.

At least with mobiles they detect that there is charge and you know it will take a while before you can boot it up from a long state of being flat for months.

A total (deep) discharge can brick any lithium-ion battery and you should never ever let any lithium-ion powered device be discharged for a long time (devices turn off before the battery fully discharges, but if you leave your device like that, it will eventually discharge completely). Just thought you should know. If you plan to store a lithium-ion powered device without using it for long periods of time, charge it to around 50%, and recharge it to 50% every 6 or so months.

Yer but this was like maybe 4-5months undocked and was originally 100% charged. Which I found rather surprising considering the period

Undocked it dies within a couple weeks. Maybe cause I had it on hibernate or whatever Nintendo calls that mode.



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:
Teeqoz said:

A total (deep) discharge can brick any lithium-ion battery and you should never ever let any lithium-ion powered device be discharged for a long time (devices turn off before the battery fully discharges, but if you leave your device like that, it will eventually discharge completely). Just thought you should know. If you plan to store a lithium-ion powered device without using it for long periods of time, charge it to around 50%, and recharge it to 50% every 6 or so months.

Yer but this was like maybe 4-5months undocked and was originally 100% charged. Which I found rather surprising considering the period

Undocked it dies within a couple weeks. Maybe cause I had it on hibernate or whatever Nintendo calls that mode.

Nintendo calls it sleep mode.



Well if Nintendo didn't purposely set out to make life difficult for people with third party docks is there some other reason this is happening. Have they updated the firmware so that the Switch runs faster and draws more power or some other performance change, faster charging or something?

I don't have a Switch but intend to buy one at some point and will be looking to share one switch console with a dock both downstairs and upstairs, the Nintendo dock seems grossly overpriced for what it is.



bonzobanana said:
Well if Nintendo didn't purposely set out to make life difficult for people with third party docks is there some other reason this is happening. Have they updated the firmware so that the Switch runs faster and draws more power or some other performance change, faster charging or something?

I don't have a Switch but intend to buy one at some point and will be looking to share one switch console with a dock both downstairs and upstairs, the Nintendo dock seems grossly overpriced for what it is.

Well if you read Shiken's response on the non standard usb-c requirements Nintendo used to safely charge and not damage the console, perhaps they added some checks to ensure the dock stays in those limits. So any dock outside spec will not work and dock within spec will as indicated not all 3rd party docks have stopped working. To me that is reasonable approach to take to protect the Switch.



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
bonzobanana said:
Well if Nintendo didn't purposely set out to make life difficult for people with third party docks is there some other reason this is happening. Have they updated the firmware so that the Switch runs faster and draws more power or some other performance change, faster charging or something?

I don't have a Switch but intend to buy one at some point and will be looking to share one switch console with a dock both downstairs and upstairs, the Nintendo dock seems grossly overpriced for what it is.

Well if you read Shiken's response on the non standard usb-c requirements Nintendo used to safely charge and not damage the console, perhaps they added some checks to ensure the dock stays in those limits. So any dock outside spec will not work and dock within spec will as indicated not all 3rd party docks have stopped working. To me that is reasonable approach to take to protect the Switch.

Is that the facts of the situation or are some third party docks not currently recognised as third party currently and may get caught as Nintendo fine tune their dock checking routines in a future firmware? I have a long history with using Nintendo products dating back to the NES and they are quite aggressive to third parties even those that assist them commercially. Sony with their SNES CDROM add-on, developers of the SFX chip and numerous other companies. They have a very aggressive approach when it comes to their commercial interests. There is huge money in selling their own docks. There is absolutely nothing of value in the dock, a simple circuit board, some plastic and a PSU. Only a few dollars to make surely.



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Sooo dont buy them?



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bonzobanana said:
Cobretti2 said:

Well if you read Shiken's response on the non standard usb-c requirements Nintendo used to safely charge and not damage the console, perhaps they added some checks to ensure the dock stays in those limits. So any dock outside spec will not work and dock within spec will as indicated not all 3rd party docks have stopped working. To me that is reasonable approach to take to protect the Switch.

Is that the facts of the situation or are some third party docks not currently recognised as third party currently and may get caught as Nintendo fine tune their dock checking routines in a future firmware? I have a long history with using Nintendo products dating back to the NES and they are quite aggressive to third parties even those that assist them commercially. Sony with their SNES CDROM add-on, developers of the SFX chip and numerous other companies. They have a very aggressive approach when it comes to their commercial interests. There is huge money in selling their own docks. There is absolutely nothing of value in the dock, a simple circuit board, some plastic and a PSU. Only a few dollars to make surely.

It's been happening long before any firmware check the reddit thread these are problems that have been around for third party docks since launch.



Cobretti2 said:
Teeqoz said:

A total (deep) discharge can brick any lithium-ion battery and you should never ever let any lithium-ion powered device be discharged for a long time (devices turn off before the battery fully discharges, but if you leave your device like that, it will eventually discharge completely). Just thought you should know. If you plan to store a lithium-ion powered device without using it for long periods of time, charge it to around 50%, and recharge it to 50% every 6 or so months.

Yer but this was like maybe 4-5months undocked and was originally 100% charged. Which I found rather surprising considering the period

Undocked it dies within a couple weeks. Maybe cause I had it on hibernate or whatever Nintendo calls that mode.

Sleep mode keeps some features running. It's similar to a cell phone. Most devices with sleep mode will last about 5-14 days. I'd guess the Switch is on the higher end due to battery capacity.



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