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I think...

Free speech laws should be upheld by region 2 9.52%
 
Free speech laws the site... 0 0%
 
Speech should be as free as the sites rules 11 52.38%
 
Speech should be up allow... 4 19.05%
 
There should be no speech... 3 14.29%
 
Comments/indifferent.... 1 4.76%
 
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Carl on 25 February 2018

When you sign up to this site you accept the terms of use that state directly that the people in charge of the site have the right to refuse, move, or remove any material that you submit to the site for any reason. The people in charge also have the right to establish general practices and limits concerning your use of the site. You also accept the terms that you will not defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten, or otherwise violate the legal rights of others.

You accepted these terms upon account creation. If you wish to have true freedom of speech with no rules or regulations on what you're able to talk about, I'm sure you can find countless more sites to push your views if your topics get locked here.



                            

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Carl on 25 February 2018
RolStoppable said:

Carl, I am offended by the below post. It describes Ireland as a part of the UK.

The best part of Ireland still is.



                            

Pyro as Bill on 25 February 2018
Aeolus451 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

First that twisting never ending highway in your sig is offensive to the laws... of physics so I demand you'd be arrested and tortured and executed for hate speech towards physics or something

And Second, as an example, beheadings are part of the Saudi Arabian culture of punishing criminals and I oppose such a barbaric procedure so technically and according to the EU rules you mentioned, I am doing hate speech towards the Saudi Arabian culture of punishment cause I strongly criticize their methods which if Saudis knew about my opinion, could be offended by it. Therefore the EU should do what? Fine me? Imprison me?

If true these EU rules are in my opinion so very wrong.

I love my sig. I just want stare at it sometimes.

 Here's how bad it could be. A guy in Ireland made a joke video on youtube with his pug called "nazi pug" and he was arrested over it. He's still in court over it and he could face a year or more in jail over it. The joke is offensive or edgy but it's not hateful or done with malicious intent.   I'm not certain if that's strictly an Ireland law or EU law but the UK is still part of the EU and has to follow EU laws. Also from what I understand,  European countries have similar laws anyway. I suggest you look up that vid if you haven't seen it. It's NSFW btw.

Scotland not Ireland. Scotch have their own legal system that doesn't apply to the other countries in the British Isles (Ireland, England, Wales etc).

OT- If you want a free speech platform, make your own. I would like to see the US give tax breaks to any companies that promote the 1st Amendment though.



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VGPolyglot on 25 February 2018
John2290 said:
Carl2291 said:
When you sign up to this site you accept the terms of use that state directly that the people in charge of the site have the right to refuse, move, or remove any material that you submit to the site for any reason. The people in charge also have the right to establish general practices and limits concerning your use of the site. You also accept the terms that you will not defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten, or otherwise violate the legal rights of others.

You accepted these terms upon account creation. If you wish to have true freedom of speech with no rules or regulations on what you're able to talk about, I'm sure you can find countless more sites to push your views if your topics get locked here.

However with this line of thought people would migrate from site to site. It happens, i guess and is still happening to s smaller degree but if rules are there to protect the site as a business, revenue and traffic should be above all else and if you kill the traffic you kill the revenue. I'm sick of mentioning twitter so lets take Youtube as an example, freedoms are lost there so many and more sites pop up with the intent to take traffic, some succeed even. How can you condone censorship in favour of loosing traffic. Even if it's a balancing act shouldn't these be outlined upon joining, as  you mentioned in the first part of your post, and avoid fluctuations.

Twitter and other sites I fear won't realize this before the go the way of Myspace/gaf..etc. and with Youtube now only feeling the brunt of these issues it'll be fun looking at what way things go. 

I suppose it's still all up in the air because a government can't call something a utility and basic human right and yet have aspects that contradict other rights. 

That's not considering though the people that are reluctant to join because of a lack of repression of certain attitudes such as racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Maybe banning that talk, while resulting in a few people leaving, would result in more people willing to join.



arcaneguyver on 26 February 2018

Privately owned websites can and do as they like, such as slap together an incredibly vague ToS while randomly clamping down on people they decide to be offensive. We're in a crappy position where there aren't many good alternatives to the major players in social media & video streaming.

Anyone attempting to make a living with remotely 'edgy' content on someone else's website is gutsy and/or stupid. Sites like Patreon have made it seem like a safer bet perhaps, but that's really just putting your livelihood under someone else's ToS.



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Aeolus451 on 26 February 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

I don't think this applies when you scale it up to platforms  s big as Twitter and the like though, people join regardless because everyone else does and the reason they die seems to be the censorship or in twitters case they repeatedly hurt themselves....or is it that people leave and they think they can fix it with censorship, I don't know.

Given your views on how platforms should handle speech in general do they still hold true when news is involved? Information sharing with real world implications.


We have so many laws to protect freedoms in the west yet not in this area, rights to the consumer right down to buying a carton of milk. Why should the internet, if it truly is a utility be any different?

Good question. Why do you want it to be different?

As it is if you walk into a shop and start shouting abuse at people the shop will ask you to leave, and if you refuse will call the police to make you leave. So why should shouting abuse at people on an internet website be any different?

  He's talking about being offensive, having a dissenting opinion, being rude,  wearing a shirt with a meme on it, telling edgy jokes, etc. Most businesses won't kick you out unless you're being bad enough to disrupt their business. Shouting abuse is a extreme example and not what we're talking about.

Websites and online services aren't really disrupted that much by a few people raising a fuss.  It's more like you acting like a dick in a part of a city, the rest of the city wouldn't even know you exist. Something closer to this overall would be like a utility service denying you service when there's no alternative around because you said a joke that offended some one. 



Aeolus451 on 26 February 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
Aeolus451 said:

  He's talking about being offensive, having a dissenting opinion, being rude,  wearing a shirt with a meme on it, telling edgy jokes, etc. Most businesses won't kick you out unless you're being bad enough to disrupt their business. Shouting abuse is a extreme example and not what we're talking about.

Websites and online services aren't really disrupted that much by a few people raising a fuss.  It's more like you acting like a dick in a part of a city, the rest of the city wouldn't even know you exist. Something closer to this overall would be like a utility service denying you service when there's no alternative around because you said a joke that offended some one. 

The point still stands. He wants laws to protect people doing those things on websites, but they don't exist for shops so why should they for websites? A shop could kick you out for the t shirt you're wearing if they wanted to.

It should be extended to cover that since businesses can't discriminate based on  the identity stuff and since the EU is trying make laws that force social media to delete anything they consider hate speech which includes anything offensive anyway. The line has already crossed.



Moren on 26 February 2018
John2290 said:
Carl2291 said:
When you sign up to this site you accept the terms of use that state directly that the people in charge of the site have the right to refuse, move, or remove any material that you submit to the site for any reason. The people in charge also have the right to establish general practices and limits concerning your use of the site. You also accept the terms that you will not defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten, or otherwise violate the legal rights of others.

You accepted these terms upon account creation. If you wish to have true freedom of speech with no rules or regulations on what you're able to talk about, I'm sure you can find countless more sites to push your views if your topics get locked here.

However with this line of thought people would migrate from site to site. It happens, i guess and is still happening to s smaller degree but if rules are there to protect the site as a business, revenue and traffic should be above all else and if you kill the traffic you kill the revenue. I'm sick of mentioning twitter so lets take Youtube as an example, freedoms are lost there so many and more sites pop up with the intent to take traffic, some succeed even. How can you condone censorship in favour of loosing traffic. Even if it's a balancing act shouldn't these be outlined upon joining, as  you mentioned in the first part of your post, and avoid fluctuations.

Twitter and other sites I fear won't realize this before the go the way of Myspace/gaf..etc. and with Youtube now only feeling the brunt of these issues it'll be fun looking at what way things go. 

I suppose it's still all up in the air because a government can't call something a utility and basic human right and yet have aspects that contradict other rights. 

I think in otder to protect the site traffic and the site revenue you should also keep it free from shitty content / rants.



Ganoncrotch on 26 February 2018

Think the issue here mostly stems from people not understanding that freedom of speech is not freedom from repercussions for what babbling shit spews from your mouth.

Feel free to use freedom of speech anywhere to say what you want, a website can use their freedom to say shut the f up and go somewhere else, just because people can stand on street corners yelling "the end is nigh" that doesn't mean you need to stop and listen to their incoherent rubbish, the same applies online.



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Ganoncrotch on 26 February 2018
Carl2291 said:
RolStoppable said:

Carl, I am offended by the below post. It describes Ireland as a part of the UK.

The best part of Ireland still is.

The part of Ireland that won't be dragged ass backwards out of the EU is just fine!



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