State controlled means of production and capital generation through regulation and violation of property rights.

Also it leads to a lot of people dying.

I do find it funny how people mention Nordic countries yet have never been there or even accept the fact those countries actually refute the socialism tagline. People confuse a countries culture for their government. Very much market based Representative Democracy which works for a country that size. It would not work for a nation like the United States because you'd have to eliminate state rights in order to achieve that system.

It is my opinion that with true socialism there isn't enough incentive to stay productive, let alone be innovative. It's great in theory, and I wish it worked, but humanity doesn't move forward with it. It could be argued that's a good thing, I suppose.

And do you research all those cases and see that they aren't being arrested because they made a cooperative but because they were invading other people property and destroying public and private buildings?

MST inclusive is a movement that demands the government to take away property from others, give to them, also give money for they to produce and they them sell their lands to other and go back to the movement? Also their leaders have millionaires accounts.... you have took a very bad example.

That is because socialists need to pretend it can go right, so they'll say Nordics are socialist countries while all the comunist/socialist countries that had intense famine, death and abuse "weren't real socialism".

Back in cave days we were like socialist societies, I wouldn't say it was better than today.

Joke: Punch a Nazi
Woke: Punch a Nazi and Commie.

Well then name a socialist country that was also a democracy.

What a load of nonsense, no socialist worth his salt would call the Nordic countries socialist. This reductionism of combining social democrats with socialists is getting old and in this very thread you already had a socialist explain the flaws of social democracy.

Yes it is nonsense... but at least here in Brazil when socialists are defending the model and we present all the failures they will point the Nordic countries as examples of socialism that went right, ignoring everything that shows it aint socialist.

That's assuming there isn't a salt famine going on where said true red socialist lives. Which come to think of it if they actually are true socialist at heart chances are they don't live in a socialist country and are enjoying the fruits and labors of the capitalist system they live in which has no salt famine to speak of. 

And  on the initial post, bingo. I do find it laughable that people cannot see the irony of their position when one of their key points is that it hasn't been implemented correctly, ever, after countless attempts. 

It's almost like you need a system that encourages innovation and achievement... hmm...

Exactly, they can't just take over the workplace and establish a cooperative because the factory/business owners would get the police to enforce their property rights.