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Leadified said:
DonFerrari said:

That is because socialists need to pretend it can go right, so they'll say Nordics are socialist countries while all the comunist/socialist countries that had intense famine, death and abuse "weren't real socialism".

What a load of nonsense, no socialist worth his salt would call the Nordic countries socialist. This reductionism of combining social democrats with socialists is getting old and in this very thread you already had a socialist explain the flaws of social democracy.

That's assuming there isn't a salt famine going on where said true red socialist lives. Which come to think of it if they actually are true socialist at heart chances are they don't live in a socialist country and are enjoying the fruits and labors of the capitalist system they live in which has no salt famine to speak of. 

And  on the initial post, bingo. I do find it laughable that people cannot see the irony of their position when one of their key points is that it hasn't been implemented correctly, ever, after countless attempts. 

It's almost like you need a system that encourages innovation and achievement... hmm...