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palou said:
Pemalite said:

This is a calm and civil discussion. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that another forum member is a fascist, participated in riots or are judging each other.

Then why are you mentioning them?

Because it has relevance to Trumps political alignment and his supporters and opponents?



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Aeolus451 said:

I was talking about the actual redistribution of wealth and not minor taxation/social safety nets.

Question:  what do you mean by "actual redistribution of wealth"? since you clearly don't mean it in the sense of redistributing taxpayer dollars to social safety nets and so forth.  Would food stamp programs be an example of redistribution of wealth?  Welfare?  Government funded job training programs?  Corporate subsidies? 



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Aeolus451 said:

The kkk is a child of the left. Just had to point that out. 😹

Please elaborate.  As far as I know, the KKK is only a "child of the left" in the sense that it was originally formed as a reaction to leftist Radical Republicans crushing the rebellion and freeing the slaves (and other civil rights legislation). 

—The first Klan ... see above.  Often functioned as a paramilitary group targeting blacks and Republicans, with the goal of restoring absolute white supremacy and throwing off the yoke of Northern-influenced rule.  Very pro-Democrat and anti-Republican, with the understanding that Republicans were "left" and Democrats were "right". 
—The second Klan was revived from almost nothing in the aftermath of the movie Birth of a Nation.  Still very anti-black and anti-integration but also extremely anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, and against what it saw as moral decline in a number of areas.  A historian notes that "it was non-partisan in the sense that it pressed its nativist issues to both parties." (Wikipedia) After a decade of extreme growth, it declined in popularity and ceased to be a relevant national organization by the 1930s (arguably) or 40s. 
—The third Klan was not AFAIK a centrally organized movement like the others but more a wave of independent groups calling themselves the KKK, springing up in opposition to civil rights movements (again).  Would be against the Democratic Party as the term is understood today, but possibly pro-"Dixiecrats" (Democrats who opposed civil rights legislation, many of whom left the Democratic Party for third parties and/or the Republican Party). 

I don't see how it's reasonable to call any of that "a child of the left" unless you actually mean "it wouldn't have happened if they just wouldn't keep giving people all those civil rights!"  I'm not saying that is what you mean—please tell me what you do mean. 



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Pemalite said:
palou said:

Then why are you mentioning them?

Because it has relevance to Trumps political alignment and his supporters and opponents?

No, it doesn't. They do not represent a significant portion of the voter-base. There isn't necessarily a direct connection between the views of the average republican and the actions of these minorities, so I do not think that they should be be brought up in a debate.



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palou said:
Pemalite said:

Because it has relevance to Trumps political alignment and his supporters and opponents?

No, it doesn't. They do not represent a significant portion of the voter-base. There isn't necessarily a direct connection between the views of the average republican and the actions of these minorities, so I do not think that they should be be brought up in a debate.

What you think is ultimately irrelevant, we are doing it anyway because we believe it has relevancy, hence why we are having a discussion about it.



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I'm sure he has the best cognitive test score. It's great.



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Wow. A lot of revisionist history here. The KKK was started by Democrats to frighten blacks and the Republicans who freed them. They rose to power again in the early 1900s because of a racist Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson, gave them a voice. He not only praised Birth of A Nation, but also resegregated the Federal government. In 1924, some non-KKK members of the Democrat party wanted to put in a special plank in their platform denouncing their violence. But, there were so many KKK members in the party it was actually voted down. It flared up again during the Civil Rights movement, again containing mostly Democrats opposed to desegregation. This also led to Jim Crow laws.

It's hilarious to watch people perform some crazy mental gymnastics to alter that history. "Oh no, they're totally an organization of the right. They're just made up of Democrats, and just fought on the side of the left/Democrats for over 100 years, then suddenly switched sides. Which is good because we can attack Republicans with their "long" history with them. Shh, don't mention that Republicans were the targets of many of their attacks and that the Republicans have always been opposed to them. For reals." LOL.

Now, it may be fair to say they slowly evolved to a party of neither side, as hatred for minorities pretty much took over their whole platform. But, to try to claim they were ever an organization of the right is just a plain lie. Usually one stated for political purposes, not with any fact behind it.



thismeintiel said:

Wow. A lot of revisionist history here. The KKK was started by Democrats to frighten blacks and the Republicans who freed them. They rose to power again in the early 1900s because of a racist Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson, gave them a voice. He not only praised Birth of A Nation, but also resegregated the Federal government. In 1924, some non-KKK members of the Democrat party wanted to put in a special plank in their platform denouncing their violence. But, there were so many KKK members in the party it was actually voted down. It flared up again during the Civil Rights movement, again containing mostly Democrats opposed to desegregation. This also led to Jim Crow laws.

It's hilarious to watch people perform some crazy mental gymnastics to alter that history. "Oh no, they're totally an organization of the right. They're just made up of Democrats, and just fought on the side of the left/Democrats for over 100 years, then suddenly switched sides. Which is good because we can attack Republicans with their "long" history with them. Shh, don't mention that Republicans were the targets of many of their attacks and that the Republicans have always been opposed to them. For reals." LOL.

Now, it may be fair to say they slowly evolved to a party of neither side, as hatred for minorities pretty much took over their whole platform. But, to try to claim they were ever an organization of the right is just a plain lie. Usually one stated for political purposes, not with any fact behind it.

The majority of Democrats used to be racist especially in the south before the passing of the civil rights act once that was passed they where less racists and the racists ones in the south mostly switched over to the republican party.  Also even though there used to be a ton of racists Democrats.  The president that desegregated the military was a Democrat (Truman) and the president that passed the civil rights act was also a Democrat (LBJ) not to mention that he was also the last president that actually cared about the poor.



Umm that cognitive tests first 4 questions are month, day, year, and who is currently President. On top of that it’s to test for Alzheimer's or dementia. It was not the kind of test that you use to judge someones mental state



Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

I know what they say they are but that doesn't mean that's what they are or they fighting against actual fascism. There was no fascists in the us for them to bash except for the imaginary kind. 

I was talking about the actual redistribution of wealth and not minor taxation/social safety nets.

Fascists have always existed in the USA in some capacity.

Ku Klux Klan has existed since the 1860's
American Nazi Party has existed since the 50's.
Aryan Nations has existed since the 70's.
National Alliance has existed since the 70's.
National Socialist Movement has been around since the 70's.
American Front has existed since the 80's.
Stormfront has existed since the 90's.

There has been a massive political shift to the right during the last 10 or so years the world over, which has allowed for fascists/neo-nazi's groups to gain prominence in the political landscape, they are still a minority of course, but they are growing.

The United Patriots Front being a prime example in Australia, who was backed by fascists like Pauline Hanson, Reclaim Australia and so on. - They disguise themselves as "Patriots". - Despite the fact they wish to alter the Constitution that this country was founded on, propagate racism, sexism and homophobia... Conversely, it wasn't until those groups started to gain prominence in the political sphere did their opponents also start to rise up.

Don't get me wrong, I despise both sides equally as much. ANTIFA resorting to violence is immature and stupid and ultimately solves nothing.
The Neo Nazi's they fight back against are fucking idiots.

As as I know there was already an American Nazi Party in the 30s not to mention that there where a ton of NAZI sympathizers during that time in the US.  Before the US entered WWII Charles Lindbergh was a big time NAZI sympathizers.