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Aeolus451 said:

The kkk is a child of the left. Just had to point that out. 😹

No one really takes any of them seriously because they have virtually no power in anything in the us. They might as well not exist. They certainly don't warrant the existence of antifa in the us especially if the cost is them rioting and destroying things. They act more like the fascists than the neo nazis do to be honest.

I also despise both sides. They don't make the left or right look good.

Were the American Patriots fascists because they threw the tea into the harbor to protest the British?



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Aeolus451 said:

The kkk is a child of the left. Just had to point that out. 😹


KKK is very much right wing today.

Aeolus451 said:

No one really takes any of them seriously because they have virtually no power in anything in the us. They might as well not exist. They certainly don't warrant the existence of antifa in the us especially if the cost is them rioting and destroying things. They act more like the fascists than the neo nazis do to be honest.

I disagree. Trump being the prime example as he tends to be a neo-fascist sympathizer.
I am not as well versed on the American political landscape as I could be, but allot of the extreme stuff that happens over there does flow down here.

Australia has neo-nazi/fascist/white supremacist groups that have a massively huge following, thanks to their use of fear to propagate an anti-islam mentality, which simply was not a thing 10 years ago... And Trump got elected partly because of a similar platform.

Aeolus451 said:

I also despise both sides. They don't make the left or right look good.

Completely agree. Both should be completely shut down in the public and political sphere.
Extremists on either side are still extremists.



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Pemalite said:

Fascists have always existed in the USA in some capacity.

Ku Klux Klan has existed since the 1860's
American Nazi Party has existed since the 50's.
Aryan Nations has existed since the 70's.
National Alliance has existed since the 70's.
National Socialist Movement has been around since the 70's.
American Front has existed since the 80's.
Stormfront has existed since the 90's.

There has been a massive political shift to the right during the last 10 or so years the world over, which has allowed for fascists/neo-nazi's groups to gain prominence in the political landscape, they are still a minority of course, but they are growing.

The United Patriots Front being a prime example in Australia, who was backed by fascists like Pauline Hanson, Reclaim Australia and so on. - They disguise themselves as "Patriots". - Despite the fact they wish to alter the Constitution that this country was founded on, propagate racism, sexism and homophobia... Conversely, it wasn't until those groups started to gain prominence in the political sphere did their opponents also start to rise up.

Don't get me wrong, I despise both sides equally as much. ANTIFA resorting to violence is immature and stupid and ultimately solves nothing.
The Neo Nazi's they fight back against are fucking idiots.

The kkk is a child of the left. Just had to point that out. 😹

No one really takes any of them seriously because they have virtually no power in anything in the us. They might as well not exist. They certainly don't warrant the existence of antifa in the us especially if the cost is them rioting and destroying things. They act more like the fascists than the neo nazis do to be honest.

I also despise both sides. They don't make the left or right look good.

I mean, antifa are clearly morons, but I'd claim that they're close to being as irrelevant as the KKK, really... A couple very isolated riots, none with remotely significant losses, in the greater picture...



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Actually, you can all calm down a bit. It's highly likely that no one on here is either a fascist or participated in any riots, it's unfair to judge each other based on the irrational actions of fringe offenders that somehow share some ideological ground.



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Actually, you can all calm down a bit. It's highly likely that no one on here is either a fascist or participated in any riots, it's unfair to judge each other based on the irrational actions of fringe offenders that somehow share some ideological ground.

This is a calm and civil discussion. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that another forum member is a fascist, participated in riots or are judging each other.



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Pemalite said:
palou said:
Actually, you can all calm down a bit. It's highly likely that no one on here is either a fascist or participated in any riots, it's unfair to judge each other based on the irrational actions of fringe offenders that somehow share some ideological ground.

This is a calm and civil discussion. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that another forum member is a fascist, participated in riots or are judging each other.

Then why are you mentioning them?



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palou said:
Pemalite said:

This is a calm and civil discussion. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that another forum member is a fascist, participated in riots or are judging each other.

Then why are you mentioning them?

Because it has relevance to Trumps political alignment and his supporters and opponents?



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I was talking about the actual redistribution of wealth and not minor taxation/social safety nets.

Question:  what do you mean by "actual redistribution of wealth"? since you clearly don't mean it in the sense of redistributing taxpayer dollars to social safety nets and so forth.  Would food stamp programs be an example of redistribution of wealth?  Welfare?  Government funded job training programs?  Corporate subsidies? 



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The kkk is a child of the left. Just had to point that out. 😹

Please elaborate.  As far as I know, the KKK is only a "child of the left" in the sense that it was originally formed as a reaction to leftist Radical Republicans crushing the rebellion and freeing the slaves (and other civil rights legislation). 

—The first Klan ... see above.  Often functioned as a paramilitary group targeting blacks and Republicans, with the goal of restoring absolute white supremacy and throwing off the yoke of Northern-influenced rule.  Very pro-Democrat and anti-Republican, with the understanding that Republicans were "left" and Democrats were "right". 
—The second Klan was revived from almost nothing in the aftermath of the movie Birth of a Nation.  Still very anti-black and anti-integration but also extremely anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, and against what it saw as moral decline in a number of areas.  A historian notes that "it was non-partisan in the sense that it pressed its nativist issues to both parties." (Wikipedia) After a decade of extreme growth, it declined in popularity and ceased to be a relevant national organization by the 1930s (arguably) or 40s. 
—The third Klan was not AFAIK a centrally organized movement like the others but more a wave of independent groups calling themselves the KKK, springing up in opposition to civil rights movements (again).  Would be against the Democratic Party as the term is understood today, but possibly pro-"Dixiecrats" (Democrats who opposed civil rights legislation, many of whom left the Democratic Party for third parties and/or the Republican Party). 

I don't see how it's reasonable to call any of that "a child of the left" unless you actually mean "it wouldn't have happened if they just wouldn't keep giving people all those civil rights!"  I'm not saying that is what you mean—please tell me what you do mean. 



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palou said:

Then why are you mentioning them?

Because it has relevance to Trumps political alignment and his supporters and opponents?

No, it doesn't. They do not represent a significant portion of the voter-base. There isn't necessarily a direct connection between the views of the average republican and the actions of these minorities, so I do not think that they should be be brought up in a debate.



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