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epicurean said:
setsunatenshi said:

it happens man... felt the same with the Wii last gen, justified it to myself saying I at least had all the consoles so I wasn't missing out on anything.

where have you been gaming then these last couple of years? pc + ?

PS4 - which, to be fair with the X1, has lots of overlap. If I didn't have a PS4, I probably would be fine with the X1, or, at least, less frustrated.

I REALLY wanted Alan Wake 2. Loved that game. Figured with that, Halo, and some new IPs it would be worth the purchase. I was wrong. It happens. I blame myself for hoping for things that weren't yet announced. 

Every E3 I hope they'll announce something exclusive that'll make me get it back out - KOTOR 3, aforementioned Alan Wake 2, surprise revival of Advent Rising (which I loved for some reason), or other unlikely stuff. But I don't see it happening at this point.

alright, makes sense then... I think you're absolutely justified to feel how you feel. I went from owning every single console last get (it lasted way too long) to not even considering an XB1 based only on the way MS treated the 360 in the last 3 or so years of it's lifespan. They "tricked" me when they were getting quite a few exclusive Japanese games (RPGs especially), but the writing was on the wall already.

At this point, like many here I don't see even 1 exclusive title that I'm interested in, and if I did, then I have a pretty damn good PC anyway.

So yeah, I do tend to agree with the sentiment on the OP when it comes to Xbox.



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setsunatenshi said:
epicurean said:

PS4 - which, to be fair with the X1, has lots of overlap. If I didn't have a PS4, I probably would be fine with the X1, or, at least, less frustrated.

I REALLY wanted Alan Wake 2. Loved that game. Figured with that, Halo, and some new IPs it would be worth the purchase. I was wrong. It happens. I blame myself for hoping for things that weren't yet announced. 

Every E3 I hope they'll announce something exclusive that'll make me get it back out - KOTOR 3, aforementioned Alan Wake 2, surprise revival of Advent Rising (which I loved for some reason), or other unlikely stuff. But I don't see it happening at this point.

alright, makes sense then... I think you're absolutely justified to feel how you feel. I went from owning every single console last get (it lasted way too long) to not even considering an XB1 based only on the way MS treated the 360 in the last 3 or so years of it's lifespan. They "tricked" me when they were getting quite a few exclusive Japanese games (RPGs especially), but the writing was on the wall already.

At this point, like many here I don't see even 1 exclusive title that I'm interested in, and if I did, then I have a pretty damn good PC anyway.

So yeah, I do tend to agree with the sentiment on the OP when it comes to Xbox.

You are right about the end of the 360 life cycle. I think I was hoping they were working on new games for the One.  It seems obvious it just wasn't a priority for them. 

I'm a sucker for new technology. I had all the consoles last gen (though the Wii U was for my kids) and do again this gen (again, the Switch is "mostly" for my kids), but I can't see myself ever doing that again unless Sony/Microsoft do more to differentiate themselves. It's a no-brainer to go with Sony (for me) now because there are just so many more games. I'm also thinking about building a decent gaming PC which would further negate the need for a Microsoft console, so we'll see. There really isn't anything I feel like I'm missing anyway (though I would like to play the new Divinity game on PC). 

I get that people want to defend their console of choice, but I also feel like it mutes people's complaints to not being heard. There's a difference between console wars rhetoric and people who are truly frustrated with what they got with their money. Though again, I blame myself for buying before what I hoped for was announced.



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Normchacho said:
Snoopy said:

1. A game being multiplayer focused and if it's great will make you a lot of money in the long run. That's why Microsoft, EA, Blizzard and Activision are focusing more on it than ever before. Hell, I wouldn't be surprise if Sony focuses on MP games in the future. That's one benefit for the company. For gamers,  If you look at log hours, you will see people spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on these online games. More than they will get on a sp game by almost ten folds at times.

2. PC users have the best and worst version always. Xbox will have the best and worse version always regarding consoles because the BC will extend for a very long time. Also, it's not just consoles itself, but many factors come to play. Someone on PS4 playing on SD t.v. or a sub par hd tv will play the worse version than someone playing on xbox one with hd tv. A lot of variables than just consoles, however right now the best possible way is still xbox one version of games because you can play it on xbox one x with a 4k t.v. And whose to say they won't upgrade their console in the future? The xbox one x will only get cheaper. Hell, I already seen a deal where you can get an xbox one x with a couple games for $450. The sales will only increase especially with price drops and more support. 

1. But what does that have to do with the strength of their lineup?

2. I don't even understand how you can seriously make this argument. "Sure, the vast VAST majority of Xbox One gamers will be playing the worst version of most multiplatform games. But they're getting the best version...I promise."

1. Longevity and more games than the average consumer buy equals stronger lineup.

 

2. You don't know if the vast majority of original xbox one owners are playing the games worse than the original ps4 owners. When you take into count t.v., ISP, ect. Those can affect the game itself more than the console hardware. Especially since PS4 dominates countries in Europe where they can't afford a lot. PS4 owners can be playing games on 720p t.v. compare to an xbox one owner playing on 1080p t.v. All we know for a fact is the xbox one game has more potential than ps4 game with all the patches it recently received.  And as time goes by they will upgrade because we already know the xbox one x is doing well right now.



CGI-Quality said:
Technarchy said:

Xbox One controls near 50% of the American console market, the most important consumer market, has over 200 million in software sales which is massive licensing fees, just had their best November ever, has sold more units than N64, and Microsoft has more money than Nintendo and Sony combined.

 

How do you envision them going under?

How much money they have is irrelevant, obviously. It's never been enough for them to win a gen. It's like arguing about having more weaponry in a war, when the opponent beat you with ease.

Selling video game consoles doesn't determine success, but the games, subscriptions, ect does. For example, technically the ps3 overlap 360 in hardware sales. However, since the 360 controlled United States and U.K. they had a higher software attach ratio. If I remember correctly it was almost 2:1 in 360 favor regarding software attach ratio. United States and U.K are the most important regions by far. If you do well in those regions, you are set. Which is why even if xbox one doesn't sell well in other regions they will be okay. 



CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

Selling video game consoles doesn't determine success, but the games, subscriptions, ect does. For example, technically the ps3 overlap 360 in hardware sales. However, since the 360 controlled United States and U.K. they had a higher software attach ratio. If I remember correctly it was almost 2:1 in 360 favor regarding attach ratio. United States and U.K are the most important regions by far. If you do well in those regions, you are set. Which is why even if xbox one doesn't get in top ten all time console sales the software sales will be in the top ten for sure.

None of that negates what I said.

Besides, you need more than the US and UK, as Nintendo and Sony continue to prove.

In regards to winning a console generation, it does. Winning a console generation is more about money than sales or at least to me. I thought gamecube was more successful than original xbox because at least gamecube turn in a profit. I'll take 360 over ps3 because ps3 pretty much lost Sony all the money they made off ps1 and ps2. I think Apple is way more successful with iPhone despite selling less than samsung phones because it is way more profitable. All Microsoft has to do for the next console is not mess up the launch and they will win U.S and U.K. over which will mean they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.



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CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

In regards to winning a console generation, it does. Winning a console generation is more about money than sales or at least to me. I thought gamecube was more successful than original xbox because at least gamecube turn in a profit. I'll take 360 over ps3 because ps3 pretty much lost Sony all the money they made off ps1 and ps2. I think Apple is way more successful with iPhone despite selling less than samsung phones because it is way more profitable. All Microsoft has to do for the next console is not mess up the launch and they will win U.S and U.K. over which will mean they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Making money is only part of it. Securing market-share is equally as important, because it also means more games/properties offered to your brand. All three of the big companies know that.

As for "winning" the UK/US over, it's going to take more than a good launch. 

With all of Microsoft screwups at begining and doing well in those areas still speaks volume. People are buying playstation 4 to play with their friends. It has that snow ball effect. Not only this buy Microsoft has the biggest IP (Minecraft) underneath their belt they can use as leverage.



Snoopy said:
CGI-Quality said:

None of that negates what I said.

Besides, you need more than the US and UK, as Nintendo and Sony continue to prove.

In regards to winning a console generation, it does. Winning a console generation is more about money than sales or at least to me. I thought gamecube was more successful than original xbox because at least gamecube turn in a profit. I'll take 360 over ps3 because ps3 pretty much lost Sony all the money they made off ps1 and ps2. I think Apple is way more successful with iPhone despite selling less than samsung phones because it is way more profitable. All Microsoft has to do for the next console is not mess up the launch and they will win U.S and U.K. over which will mean they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Attach rate between PS3 and 360 were nearly identical globally, with 360 barely squeezing out half a game more per console sold. And in fact, the attach ratio for PS3 was higher in NA (though 360 had higher raw numbers). As far as making money is concerned, I seem to remember both platforms hemorrhaging a bit of money for other reasons. One of those companies just happened to be able to fall back on being one of the richest companies on earth.

 

And in order for MS to win the US and UK next generation, they'll need to prove they're capable delivering exclusive content, not screw the pooch as fard as they did in 2013, and hope that Sony screws the pooch as hard as they did in 2006.

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Snoopy said:
Normchacho said:

1. But what does that have to do with the strength of their lineup?

2. I don't even understand how you can seriously make this argument. "Sure, the vast VAST majority of Xbox One gamers will be playing the worst version of most multiplatform games. But they're getting the best version...I promise."

1. Longevity and more games than the average consumer buy equals stronger lineup.

 

2. You don't know if the vast majority of original xbox one owners are playing the games worse than the original ps4 owners. When you take into count t.v., ISP, ect. Those can affect the game itself more than the console hardware. Especially since PS4 dominates countries in Europe where they can't afford a lot. PS4 owners can be playing games on 720p t.v. compare to an xbox one owner playing on 1080p t.v. All we know for a fact is the xbox one game has more potential than ps4 game with all the patches it recently received.  And as time goes by they will upgrade because we already know the xbox one x is doing well right now.

What on earth are you talking about? Why are you talking about ISPs? This is absolutely hopeless conversation...



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Normchacho said:
Snoopy said:

1. Longevity and more games than the average consumer buy equals stronger lineup.

 

2. You don't know if the vast majority of original xbox one owners are playing the games worse than the original ps4 owners. When you take into count t.v., ISP, ect. Those can affect the game itself more than the console hardware. Especially since PS4 dominates countries in Europe where they can't afford a lot. PS4 owners can be playing games on 720p t.v. compare to an xbox one owner playing on 1080p t.v. All we know for a fact is the xbox one game has more potential than ps4 game with all the patches it recently received.  And as time goes by they will upgrade because we already know the xbox one x is doing well right now.

What on earth are you talking about? Why are you talking about ISPs? This is absolutely hopeless conversation...

Enjoy playing your multiplayer games on dsl.

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CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

With all of Microsoft screwups at begining and doing well in those areas still speaks volume. People are buying playstation 4 to play with their friends. It has that snow ball effect. Not only this buy Microsoft has the biggest IP (Minecraft) underneath their belt they can use as leverage.

Having Minecraft under the belt means nothing if it will still be sold on other platforms. Takes more than the few things you continue to throw out to win a gen or dominate a territory. 

Microsoft didn’t update ps4 version of Minecraft last I check and they can keep it off of ps5. Minecraft is bigger than all of Sony first party and can be used to push xbox one sales significantly in United States and U.K. If Microsoft controls those areas they win the console war in my book because those areas buy more software and subscriptions than any other area by good margin.

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