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Snoopy on 02 January 2018
Normchacho said:
Snoopy said:

 

1. Better is always subjective, in fact I will take Halo, Gears, Forza Horizon, PUBG (could be timed) and state of decay  over all the ps4 games this generation personally, even though I know you disagree with me. However, more than likely you will get more longevity out of a multiplayer game than a single player game unless it is an RPG like the Witcher 3. If you look at PSN, XBL and Steam most people play games with multiplayer or are multiplayer only.

I think xbox has good sp games overall (could be better). Halo, Gears, Forza Horizon 2 & 3 and Motor Sport games, Quantum Break, Cup Head, Ori, Halo Wars 2,ect. However, most of those games have a good MP element to keep you occupy for the long run. Next year I can't wait to play ori 2, ashen and state of decay 2 SP mode, but the multiplayer games just like most gamers is where I am spending most of my time.

2. People will more likely get an xbox in the future. Wether it is the x or the next xbox. Either way the game will be upgraded along with their console. Not sure if Sony will follow suit. They like selling remasters and they came out and said they don't see the point of backwards compatibility. Not to mention there could be licensing issues if the next console is named PS5. That's why I think the next xbox will have the name "xbox one" in it.

1. I'm not arguing about preference here. I'm saying that if you're interested in multiplayer games then third party publishers have you pretty well covered. Beyond that I'm saying that there's no inherent benefit to a game being multiplayer focused.

2. That's a really bad argument. The version of these games gamers are actually playing is the worst version. Saying they have the best version because they may be able to play them on a different system years down the line is silly.

1. A game being multiplayer focused and if it's great will make you a lot of money in the long run. That's why Microsoft, EA, Blizzard and Activision are focusing more on it than ever before. Hell, I wouldn't be surprise if Sony focuses on MP games in the future. That's one benefit for the company. For gamers,  If you look at log hours, you will see people spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on these online games. More than they will get on a sp game by almost ten folds at times.

2. PC users have the best and worst version always. Xbox will have the best and worse version always regarding consoles because the BC will extend for a very long time. Also, it's not just consoles itself, but many factors come to play. Someone on PS4 playing on SD t.v. or a sub par hd tv will play the worse version than someone playing on xbox one with hd tv. A lot of variables than just consoles, however right now the best possible way is still xbox one version of games because you can play it on xbox one x with a 4k t.v. And whose to say they won't upgrade their console in the future? The xbox one x will only get cheaper. Hell, I already seen a deal where you can get an xbox one x with a couple games for $450. The sales will only increase especially with price drops and more support. 



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eva01beserk on 02 January 2018
Snoopy said:
Normchacho said:

1. I'm not arguing about preference here. I'm saying that if you're interested in multiplayer games then third party publishers have you pretty well covered. Beyond that I'm saying that there's no inherent benefit to a game being multiplayer focused.

2. That's a really bad argument. The version of these games gamers are actually playing is the worst version. Saying they have the best version because they may be able to play them on a different system years down the line is silly.

1. A game being multiplayer focused and if it's great will make you a lot of money in the long run. That's why Microsoft, EA, Blizzard and Activision are focusing more on it than ever before. Hell, I wouldn't be surprise if Sony focuses on MP games in the future. That's one benefit for the company. For gamers,  If you look at log hours, you will see people spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on these online games. More than they will get on a sp game by almost ten folds at times.

2. PC users have the best and worst version always. Xbox will have the best and worse version always regarding consoles because the BC will extend for a very long time. Also, it's not just consoles itself, but many factors come to play. Someone on PS4 playing on SD t.v. or a sub par hd tv will play the worse version than someone playing on xbox one with hd tv. A lot of variables than just consoles, however right now the best possible way is still xbox one version of games because you can play it on xbox one x with a 4k t.v. And whose to say they won't upgrade their console in the future? The xbox one x will only get cheaper. Hell, I already seen a deal where you can get an xbox one x with a couple games for $450. The sales will only increase especially with price drops and more support. 

Im hoping that after last year with the tremendous backlash these games got with horrible microtransactions, that we see a new direction in big third party games.



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Zoombael on 02 January 2018

The MS apoligism is as desperate as ever. And as always, the apologists do not realise with excuses mounting they re not winning, they re losing and justify the critisism.

There would be no big loss to the world of gaming if MS would be gone overnight. Either substitutes would replace the missing game/IP (-insert random racing game-, -insert random zombie survival game-) or the games would exist anyway (-insert aquired IP-), or simply not a noteworthy, generation defining game/IP ...



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adisababa on 02 January 2018
vivster said:
adisababa said:
This is a very strong lineup, diverse genres, unique elements in each that could probably push gaming to new heights (my bet is on the cloud tech in Crackdown 3).

Not to destroy your spirit but I'm pretty sure out of all the games you named Crackdown will be the biggest disaster for Xbox and will rather make people steer off Xbox than to it. If it ever releases that is.

New experiences are fine but to be actually compelling and drawing in new people they need things with impact and none of the games you listed have that. Not the millionth zombie survival game, not the trillionth installment in a racing franchise, not a niche MMO, not a cool looking retro adventure game, and certainly not any indie style game.

Again, I'm not taking anything away from those games but on a greater scale they're just not enough to draw in new people but rather to keep existing fans entertained. They need absolute blockbusters and they won't get those unless they buy them from studios, or the studios themselves.

I hate to agree, none of these games will entice new console buyers, these games aren't anything on the level of God of War and Spiderman which continue to build on the already strong IP's that Sony own or have exclusivity rights to which not only are high-quality games but also look good on an advertising board. 

I guess I'll have to cling to E3 for any hope of something other than Halo 6 that would truly be blockbuster material. Still, that doesn't mean that I won't be happy with one or all of these games. (at least Ori).



Azzanation on 02 January 2018
John2290 said:
Just keep everything until xbox 4, gather them all up and do something that has never been done in history, a peak year scale launch line up. Only way I can see to save your brand at this stage.

Haha you post like Xbox is going under

Normchacho said:
Azzanation said:

Being a Indie game does not take away the fact its a exclusive new IP nor its quality. You are talking about one of the best Indie games to date on next gen not some freshed out game with no fan base.

I don't think he's saying it doesn't count because it's an indie game, just that it's not really a major release.

That article I linked you shows making dozen of IPs does not lead to better profits. MS seem to do just find with there IPs which seem to keep them happen enough to make more of. 

But as a gamer that shouldn't matter to you. Having a platform holder that is willing to rely on bigger IP to pay for smaller IP just to flesh out their library is a good thing. If MS had more of that attitude we might have seen SO2 or another exclusive remedy game. Instead, we'll likely never see SO2 unless it's on multiple platforms and Remedy's next game is multiplatform.

So you say Sony and Nintendo have Blockbusters yet MS don't? So Ori 2 doesn't count because its an Indie game? Sea Of thieves doesn't count either because its a new IP? What's a blockbuster to you? Example - Days Gone a blockbuster and State of Decay 2 isn't?

For 2018? MS doesn't have any real Blockbuster games for 2018. Blockbusters are the top tier games. The ones that have a ton of hype behind them. The tentpole games. Days Gone isn't a blockbuster, God of War and Spider-Man are though. MS doesn't have a big game like that coming out in 2018.

I can name one game with a ton of hype, Sea of Thieves. And that didn't even take me a second to think about it. Also Ori 2 has a lot of hype behind it. Its why MS showcased it as there big game at E3 2017. Go watch some of the reactions to Ori 2 on YouTube and see for yourself. In fact go watch Sea of Thieves on YouTube.

Just because a game isn't focused on visuals and that cinematic gameplay doesn't mean its not AAA and not a blockbuster.

Now we don't want to turn this into a "Who's exclusives are better" debate, the point is they have games and that's what matters. There are people out there who don't care for Spider Man and God of War same as gamers who don't care for Sea of Thieves and Ori 2. Different tastes for different folks. 



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Azzanation on 02 January 2018
Zoombael said:
The MS apoligism is as desperate as ever. And as always, the apologists do not realise with excuses mounting they re not winning, they re losing and justify the critisism.

There would be no big loss to the world of gaming if MS would be gone overnight. Either substitutes would replace the missing game/IP (-insert random racing game-, -insert random zombie survival game-) or the games would exist anyway (-insert aquired IP-), or simply not a noteworthy, generation defining game/IP ...

Are you new to gaming?



Azzanation on 02 January 2018
John2290 said:
Azzanation said:

Haha you post like Xbox is going under

If they don't start making good exclusives then, yes, they will indeed be going under. 

Live subscribers have that covered. There not going anywhere fast. Sorry if that disappoints you.



eva01beserk on 02 January 2018
John2290 said:
Azzanation said:

Live subscribers have that covered. There not going anywhere fast. Sorry if that disappoints you.

It doesn't disappoint me, don't put words in my virtual mouth. The subscriber count is based on user base which is based on games. No games, less users, less subscribers etc.

I honestly believe that the bada start of the xbox was only partly don matric. I believe gamers just saw first hand at the last 4 years of the 360 how lackluster it was and the ps3 still pumping game after game and ending with the last of us. While both started pretty slow, the ps4 picked up its game output and gamers knew it would happen so they jump on the ps4, and knew the xbox would just stop making games.



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yvanjean on 02 January 2018

It's not like there a shortage of games on Xbox one, sure Sony has more exclusives but in the early days of PS4, it was all about 3rd party games. 421 games came out on Xbox one in 2017 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games

In order to improve their current exclusive content Microsoft would have to spend on time exclusives which only piss off the general public and in the end it's not economical for Microsoft.

Little has been said on what Microsoft has in store for us in 2018, but, I suspect the best exclusives might actually comes from indie titles.

Xbox one X is now home to the best consoles 3rd party games it even improves Xbox 360 games and I think they made a better job on showing why Xbox one X is good for people with only a 1080p TV. When you buy an Xbox one you buy in the Microsoft Eco system.... Exclusives, game pass & superior Back-compact(Sony does have PS now).




LudicrousSpeed on 02 January 2018
yvanjean said:
It's not like there a shortage of games on Xbox one, sure Sony has more exclusives but in the early days of PS4, it was all about 3rd party games. 421 games came out on Xbox one in 2017 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games

In order to improve their current exclusive content Microsoft would have to spend on time exclusives which only piss off the general public and in the end it's not economical for Microsoft.

Little has been said on what Microsoft has in store for us in 2018, but, I suspect the best exclusives might actually comes from indie titles.

Xbox one X is now home to the best consoles 3rd party games it even improves Xbox 360 games and I think they made a better job on showing why Xbox one X is good for people with only a 1080p TV. When you buy an Xbox one you buy in the Microsoft Eco system.... Exclusives, game pass & superior Back-compact(Sony does have PS now).

But breh did it get Wasabi Kenosha Bakka Bakka 3rd Gen? Well then who cares.