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Goodnightmoon said:
eva01beserk said:

Problem is critics claim is a master piece. Most likely cuz they are afraid of being negative of a movie pushing diverse leads in this current pc climate. 

That's such a huge level of bullshit, typical excuse of nowadays and is gertting old really fast. The movie got those scores cause is a great blockbusters, easy as that.

Don' t you agree that critics can be wrong about a film? Haven't you noticed that critics and regular people have very different opinions on films in general? Like the comedy, sci-fi and horror genres. Critics really like to shit all over those in general while some people like 'em. It's possible that the critics are wrong about this movie. 



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numberwang said:

TLJ is now below RO in US daily, which made close to 200 million from here on globally. TLJ is at 1.05 so it might grow to ca. 1.25 billion total, which is a decrease by 35-40% compared to TFA.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=roguevforce.htm

That was new years day for Rogue one a day where films typically go up a bit in terms of box office. TLJ should be ahead on monday.



Aeolus451 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

That's such a huge level of bullshit, typical excuse of nowadays and is gertting old really fast. The movie got those scores cause is a great blockbusters, easy as that.

Don' t you agree that critics can be wrong about a film? Haven't you noticed that critics and regular people have very different opinions on films in general? Like the comedy, sci-fi and horror genres. Critics really like to shit all over those in general while some people like 'em. It's possible that the critics are wrong about this movie. 

Shh. Critics are to be worshiped. We are to obey when they tell us what is good or bad.



Goodnightmoon said:
eva01beserk said:

Problem is critics claim is a master piece. Most likely cuz they are afraid of being negative of a movie pushing diverse leads in this current pc climate. 

That's such a huge level of bullshit, typical excuse of nowadays and is gertting old really fast. The movie got those scores cause is a great blockbusters, easy as that.

So you're telling me that critic backlash doesn't exist?

 

Someone inform the Jimquisition that nothing happened early last year.



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Azuren said:

 

Someone inform the Jimquisition that nothing happened early last year.

I really cant understand why people take this guy opinion in consideration. Watching his videos just makes me cringe.



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Shadow1980 said:

 

"Hi! I'm the VCR. I was responsible for The Empire Strikes Back having a 30% drop from A New Hope, all by making ESB have a shorter run. I did this even though I was in fewer than 2% of U.S. households in 1980. Yet I and my descendants DVD and Blu-ray were somehow unable to prevent future films like E.T., Back to the Future, Unforgiven, Titanic, Avatar, and Frozen from having long theatrical runs. Why this is, nobody can explain, but somebody on the internet said I did it, so it must be true."

Empire was released in the second oil crisis and the US had only 230M inhabitants.



Vincoletto said:
Azuren said:

 

Someone inform the Jimquisition that nothing happened early last year.

I really cant understand why people take this guy opinion in consideration. Watching his videos just makes me cringe.

Thanks for proving a point.



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Shadow1980 said:

"Hi! I'm the VCR. I was responsible for The Empire Strikes Back having a 30% drop from A New Hope, all by making ESB have a shorter run. I did this even though I was in fewer than 2% of U.S. households in 1980. Yet I and my descendants DVD and Blu-ray were somehow unable to prevent future films like E.T., Back to the Future, Unforgiven, Titanic, Avatar, and Frozen from having long theatrical runs. Why this is, nobody can explain, but somebody on the internet said I did it, so it must be true."

You know for a guy who uses charts and graphs, you sure are using some childish arguments in here, while ignoring those same charts and graphs.  Care to touch on the fact that apples to apples, ESB outperformed ANH? ESB at 13 weeks, $145.9M. ANH at 13 weeks, $113M. Up ~29%.  We're not even at 4 weeks in and TLJ is down ~30%.  And after 41 weeks in theaters, which I'm not even sure ESB was in theaters that long, ANH had outgrossed ESB by only $6.1M.

Star Wars was in theaters for 1 1/2 years its initial release. ESB may have been in there a year. None of the movies you mentioned even came close to lasting 18 months in the theaters. The one that comes closest is ET, which was in theaters for a year. And since ET, no one has even gotten to 52 weeks, the highest being Unforgiven with 49 weeks. Hell, except Unforgiven and Titanic (41 weeks) , none got past 40 weeks, the highest being BTTF with 37 weeks. So, yea, home media changed nothing, lol.

As for your 2% comment about VCRs, again cherry picking. I also mentioned the increase in popularity of broadcasting movies on TVs. And by 1982, the year SW hit VHS, 10% of US homes had VCRs, a number that was rapidly increasing. 

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Goodnightmoon said:
eva01beserk said:

Problem is critics claim is a master piece. Most likely cuz they are afraid of being negative of a movie pushing diverse leads in this current pc climate. 

That's such a huge level of bullshit, typical excuse of nowadays and is gertting old really fast. The movie got those scores cause is a great blockbusters, easy as that.

I have no idea what the reason was (I doubt it has anything to do with diverse leads), but I have never left a movie more confused about how it was so loved by critics. I truly felt the movie was trash, not just because it didn't live up to my expectations, but just that it failed as a basic movie with a decent plot and character development. It just screams terrible to me.

I'm 39 years old and have no idea how many movies and critic reviews I've read, and I've never even considered this before for any other movie, but I have to wonder if there was money given to critics or SOMETHING that influenced them. I understand there can be different opinions, but the near universal praise just doesn't make sense.



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Aeolus451 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

That's such a huge level of bullshit, typical excuse of nowadays and is gertting old really fast. The movie got those scores cause is a great blockbusters, easy as that.

Don' t you agree that critics can be wrong about a film? Haven't you noticed that critics and regular people have very different opinions on films in general? Like the comedy, sci-fi and horror genres. Critics really like to shit all over those in general while some people like 'em. It's possible that the critics are wrong about this movie. 

Of course they can and they have been wrong about some great films in the past, they are only humans, however I would argue they are usually way more right than wrong and I don't think they failed in the judgement of this movie at all. Critics do not hate comedies, sci-fi and horror movies that's nothing more than a myth, every year there are movies of those genres very well received by them and yes I'm aware critics and general public do have their differeces, but that's obvious, the general public is for the most part like most people in this thread, clueless about cinema and with a very uneducated taste, while critics are usually very into cinema, they have spent their lifes watching all kinds of movies from all ages and many times they have studied cinema or even work on it, so of course there is gonna be a differece of opinion between those 2 kind of profile.

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