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Mr.GameCrazy on 24 December 2017
thismeintiel said:
Oh, I completely left out the foreign markets. I'll post this here and in the OP.

As for the foreign markets, TFA opened with $281M. TLJ opened with $230M. Down $51M, or down 18%. This, of course, could be attributed to the massive hype behind a new SW that TFA had. However, now we have the totals as of the 24th, which accounts for two weekends and one set of weekdays. TLJ is currently sitting at $380M in foreign markets. At this same point in time, TFA was sitting at $546M. So, the difference has grown to $166M in just 7 extra days, which means it is now down by 30%. Seems the foreign markets aren't exactly thrilled with the movie, either.

In total, by this point in its life, TFA was sitting pretty with ~$1.1B. TLJ sits at ~$745M, a difference of $355M, or down 32%. I think that gap is just going to continue to grow. Disney is not liking this.

It definitely won't be doing as well as The Force Awakens, but it will still reach over $1 billion worldwide.



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thismeintiel on 24 December 2017
Darc Requiem said:
thismeintiel said:

Might want to double check your facts.  ROTJ made the least.  ~$60M less than ESB.  Which is about $150M in today's money.  It made a little less domestically, a little less than a $19M difference, but in other countries it did better.

I think people's opinion will stay the same or sour even more.  There is so much to ESB, both in story/lore, the characters, and effects.  What does TLJ have going for it?  Porgs?  Plotholes so big you can fly a Destroyer through them?  A side story straight out of a Disney film?  Nothing really redeeming, except some of the scenes were really nicely done.  And even though there were some good ideas in it, they ultimately led to nowhere and/or to huge letdowns.  There is nothing even close to the level of "I am your father" to be found there.

Star Wars made 307 million. ESB made 209 million. ROTJ made 253 million.

Again, check your facts.  Those are only the US numbers.

ROTJ made $475M WW.  ESB made $538M.



 

Aeolus451 on 24 December 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

 It sold less than SW the force awakens and it likely sold less than they expected it to so it is hurting their wallet. It's just like the recent game is hurting EA's wallet.

If I buy a rare video game for $10 and then sell it for $50 instead of the $80 I was expecting, my wallet isn't hurting, I'm just making a smaller profit than I anticipated.

That's inaccurate with companies and how they view it. They make a product where they have to make above a certain amount to make a profit. They make projections on how much they'll make off of something. If it doesn't meet that their expectations, it's money lost especially in circumstances where a backlash caused the less than expected profits. It also causes investors to back out. It hurt their wallet in more than one way.



thismeintiel on 24 December 2017
Shadow1980 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Without spoiling anything, what was so bad about this movie? I haven't seen it yet.

Nothing major. Just an unpleaseable fanbase that's either:

A) Exaggerating over plot points and technical minutiae that can be easily explained, and often the complaints are baseless because people either weren't paying attention or they're thinking too hard about it instead of remembering the "MST3K mantra," but regardless they scream "RUINED FOREVER!" just like the 2187 previous times Star Wars was supposedly ruined forever.

B) Butthurt over it not turning out like they expected. The film does subvert a lot of what most people expected. Even I was initially taken aback by some of the curveballs, but after sitting back and thinking, it makes sense given the themes of the film. Some people simply had ideas in their head about what the film ought to do, how it ought to explain certain things or handle certain characters, and when the film didn't deliver, then came the cries of "RUINED FOREVER!" Honestly, there are several notable lines (which I won't place in context to avoid spoilers) that are meta a hell: "This is not going to end how you think," "Let the past die," and "It's salt." 

C) Being dicks for the sake of being dicks. Some people are just trolls who are riding the "I hate nuWars!" bandwagon. Some dipshits out there on the internet have claimed that they either plan on or have already tried to sabotage the movie's viewer review scores on RT and Meta.

 

I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but the level of hate TLJ gets on the internet is fucking ridiculous and totally undeserved. Rian Johnson created an enjoyable, beautifully crafted movie, and I'm going to go see it one, maybe two more times, and I'll be buying it on 4K Blu-ray when that releases.

Gross mischaracterization. 

1.  Alright, hotshot, how bout you address one of the HUGE plotholes that even those who claim to love the movie won't even try to address because they know there is no answer, and even dwelling on it could ruin the movie for them.  Keep in mind this is the MAIN plot of the film.  They had 18 hrs of fuel.  In that 18 hrs, why did the Order not call another ship in to block their path or be within a few feet behind them, and then blast them?  Or, since they can track exactly where they are and currently have their exact location, jump to lightspeed then jump back right behind them or in front of them?  Or if lightspeed is now a weapon, why didn't they have some of their smaller ships jump right through their ship and blow it to hell, ending the whole thing?  There's a reason we have never had any of these slow speed BS chases in the other films.

2.  No one gives a shit if it didn't go EXACTLY as they had planned.  There are countless theories and speculation about what was going to happen.  You couldn't have done them all.  But, any one of those theories were tons better than what we got.  A big bunch of nothing and unanswered questions.  We asked for something, but got nothing.  SW is supposed to be an epic.  Not mundane and boring, something that also hurt parts of the prequels.  And it deserves much better than the continuation of the Mary Sue character. Especially when before Mary Sue, we had a strong, realistic woman in Princess Leia.  And like I said before, this isn't a new movie in a new film franchise.  It is the continuation of a hugely popular trilogy that hundreds of millions have seen.  You can't just hit the reset button on the political structure of the galaxy without explaining that shit.  To act like wanting answers to those questions is too much is just ridiculous.

And those lines are just Disney's way of telling the fans "Fuck the OG trilogy, the franchise is ours to do with it what we want."  I mean, they could of meant something in the actual movie if they led to anything interesting, which they did not.  Just the same old Rebellion vs Empire story they claim they are changing.  And the salt was an obvious attempt to be like, "Hey, guys, it's totally not Hoth.  It's salt, not snow.  Nope, not Hoth.  Nope, nope."

3.  Sorry, but the MASSIVE drop in user ratings and box office draw can't be explained by trolls, or the Alt-Right, like some want to believe.  People just did not like the film.  They aren't lining up in droves to watch it, again.  And again.  And again.  And they are telling their friends how poor it was, too.



 

Suky on 24 December 2017

The main problem with this movie in many other things is the lack luster main characters. I didnt realize how much I dislike them until I saw the FX3 machine pinball interface and say to myself: I wont touch that table not even  for a billion dollars.:P



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thismeintiel on 24 December 2017
Suky said:

The main problem with this movie in many other things is the lack luster main characters. I didnt realize how much I dislike them until I saw the FX3 machine pinball interface and say to myself: I wont touch that table not even  for a billion dollars.:P

The real sad thing is that these could have been great characters, but no. 

Rey, they decided to make a Mary Sue, then made it worse in this one. Finn was interesting and I was hoping they were going to go with a Stormtrooper becoming a Jedi in the first one. Not that they had to, but it would have been interesting. Now, he's just a comic relief character who was involved in a side plot that amounted to nothing, and was stopped from actually having a great character moment by a character who is almost the human Jar Jar. And Po... well, he just learned to stop mansplaining to the greatest SW character, Purple Hair.



 

Darc Requiem on 24 December 2017
thismeintiel said:
Darc Requiem said:

Star Wars made 307 million. ESB made 209 million. ROTJ made 253 million.

Again, check your facts.  Those are only the US numbers.

ROTJ made $475M WW.  ESB made $538M.

 I know those are only US numbers. I have no point of reference for how ESB was received by fans outside of the US. I know that here, ESB wasn't well received at release and the box office numbers back that up. 



Goodnightmoon on 24 December 2017
Darc Requiem said:
thismeintiel said:

Might want to double check your facts.  ROTJ made the least.  ~$60M less than ESB.  Which is about $150M in today's money.  It made a little less domestically, a little less than a $19M difference, but in other countries it did better.

I think people's opinion will stay the same or sour even more.  There is so much to ESB, both in story/lore, the characters, and effects.  What does TLJ have going for it?  Porgs?  Plotholes so big you can fly a Destroyer through them?  A side story straight out of a Disney film?  Nothing really redeeming, except some of the scenes were really nicely done.  And even though there were some good ideas in it, they ultimately led to nowhere and/or to huge letdowns.  There is nothing even close to the level of "I am your father" to be found there.

Star Wars made 307 million. ESB made 209 million. ROTJ made 253 million.

Funny how the best movie of the saga was the less succesful of the original trilogy on its main market. Fans spoke then too, they just failed miserably. That reminds me to this



Goodnightmoon on 24 December 2017
Shadow1980 said: 

I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but the level of hate TLJ gets on the internet is fucking ridiculous and totally undeserved. Rian Johnson created an enjoyable, beautifully crafted movie, and I'm going to go see it one, maybe two more times, and I'll be buying it on 4K Blu-ray when that releases.

Couldn't agree more



Cobretti2 on 24 December 2017
thismeintiel said:

Cobretti2 said:

The funny thing is one of the MAIN plot holes was pretty much in the original trilogy too. Til they made the prequels to explain some of it (ironically adidng other plot holes lol)

 

The thing people forget is Disney will milk this cow. A huge plot hole in one movie could be a side movie on its own.

 

The other annoying thing is people talking Mark Hamill didn't like the movie. Well woopie fucking do. If he hated it so much why sell yourself out for the money? Because he NEEDS money. if he didn't need the cash I am sure he could have pushed back with threats to quit and they would have changed it or fired him. Guess he did not want to be fired.

Interesting.  I don't recall the thrilling part in the OG trilogy where we had to endure a turtle vs turtle chase for 2 hrs.  One that could have ended very quickly if the huge plot hole of the Order being able to call in other ships to that location, or even being able to fly a bunch of ships straight through the rebel one, were addressed.  Sure, the OG trilogy probably has a bunch of small nitpicky ones if you go through them.  Not ones that completely ruin the movie or are that stinking big.  And this new trilogy is a continuation of the old one.  You can't just completely reset the politics of the galaxy like the OG trilogy didn't happen.  You have to explain that shit.  It doesn't get the same leeway as a new movie in a new franchise.

I wasn't referring to the turtle race. One of the main (i.e. Snoke).  So many complaints about not knowing who he is and why he just died. Yet what did we really know about the emperor in the original trilogy before he died? We learnt the back story in the prequels.