NightlyPoe said:
thismeintiel said:
I don't mind the grey. But, it needs to be reserved for new characters. We already have grown up with Luke. We know how he would react in this situation and it was the exact opposite to what was in the film. It not only made no sense, but it also made Luke look like a complete bitch. He fucks up, then goes and cries on an island by himself, leaving his problems for everyone else to deal with. That is not Luke.
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So you feel you can accurately predict the reaction of a man who has just committed the greatest shame of his life that resulted in the destruction of his life's work and the murder of who knows how many students?
Characters aren't perfect. Being angry that Luke didn't shake it off and go out and murder his nephew properly is silly. It's like complaining that Dumbledore once followed Grindelwald's teachings and even later, when he'd dedicated his life to teaching and had matured into the nearly the man we knew, refused to fight Grindelwald out of his own shame in helping to bring about his sister's death and the vestiges of his own love.
Luke walking away, deciding that the Jedi are a part of the problem, is a perfectly valid take on the character. Particularly considering he's 30+ years older and would naturally have changed from the man we'd last seen.
This is a problem writers have had with their audience for years. They try to craft real emotions and flaws into their characters, but the audience rejects them because of how difficult it is to understand that sometimes the characters react in surprising ways to adversity. X character would never do that, but that's not true. We've all got our issues. Luke isn't even a gray character, he's simply a broken one. In his own way, he's still serving the Light by removing himself from the equation.
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Go out and murder his nephew properly? Someone doesn't get Luke. Sigh, indeed.
I have a better analogy. It would be more like if in IW, Thanos made himself known and started destroying the world looking for the Infinity Stones, and while everyone is gearing up to defend the galaxy, Tony Stark is no where to be seen. When they do find him, he's pouting like a baby because his actions may have helped get his best friend, Rhodes, almost dead and definitely paralyzed. In the end, he sends one of his suits to some weak ass battle that accomplishes little, but then he dies by his own hand.
Not only would people not accept that and hate on the film, but it betrays his character. He is an optimist, just like Luke. Instead, he made his friend an exoskeleton that allows him to walk, again. The same goes for Luke. He would not go to some island to pout like a baby. He'd do something about his screw up. Even if it meant he had to die in the process of trying to save his nephew and the galaxy.
More importantly, it makes absolutely no sense in either case. Yes, Rhodes was paralyzed and that deeply upsets Tony and he feels guilty about it. But, abandoning the entire galaxy to Thanos would just end in Rhodes dying, not to mention hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of people dying with him. Luke loves his sister and his best friends, and people in general. He risked his life to save theirs when both Yoda and Obi Wan said he may need to sacrifice them so he may become strong enough. He's not just going to cry in the corner when Snoke and the Order are going to kill billions, if not trillions, of people if they try to resist. Including the people he loves and would give his life for.
There's a reason hundreds of thousands/millions of fans, including the actual person who plays Luke, are making it known that this is "not my Luke." Rian Johnson may have a boner for nihilism and subversion for subversion sake, but that doesn't make him deep. And it sure as hell doesn't make him right.
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