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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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HoangNhatAnh said: 

 And don't tell me it is digital only or it will have the same fate as PSP Go

When somewhere between 60 and 70% of all games being sold are digital in 2019/2020, I highly doubt a digital only Portable PS4 is going to get a lot of backlash. Sure you will have the vocal few on Youtube, Twitter, etc., but your average consumer that already buys digital would love having their entire library available on a PS4 Switch/Portable/Phone. By the mid 2020's physical games will likely be in the 10 - 15% range, and continue to hold that niche space from there on out.

As for the chip. Are you just choosing to ignore the Ryzen Mobile APU line? 

Everything AMD is doing going forward is focused on Performance Per Watt and Scalability. It is more likely than not that Nvidia Mobile (Terga/ARM CPU & Geforce GPU) and AMD Mobile (Ryzen Mobile/X86 CPU & Radeon GPU) will continue in lock step. 



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twintail said:
FattyDingDong said:

Sony has recently said that despite the fact that they have been selling extraordinary amount of consoles this holiday they cannot ignore Nintendo's switch.  Nintendo Switch is truly a very unique and intriguing concept,  if Sony were to challenge Nintendo and released their own version of the Switch would it fail just like the Vita did. Or perhaps they can learn from their mistakes and really try to push the PS Switch with strong 3rd party support.   What do you think is required of Sony to make a successful version of the Switch?   more powerful?  better online? cheaper price ? 

 

How are people still reading this statement out of context? They were talking about not reaching their predicted profit margins for the year because of the Switch eating into the demographic they are targeting rather than serving a different demographic.

The only way Sony is going to have a rival product is if it plays everything the PS4 can. Sony arent going to push for 2 different products with separate software streams when Nintendo clearly are moving towards a single software stream. The reality is that because Sony doesnt force its top devs to make specific games, there is in inclination by these studios to support a weaker portable device.

so if they can magically get a PS4 into a portable state, then sure they will release it. If not then no. 

...and that would make it a PS4 portable and thus part of the PS4 family, not a seperate product.

But hey that could work in a special way, similar to the Sega Nomad:

Since the PS4 is still selling gangbusters, Sony can delay their PS5 for now. In 2-3 years, a mobile tablet chip based on a very shrinked  (7nm) Jaguar or Ryzen (still stating Jaguar for perfect compatibility) and a Radeon Navi/subsequent release with roughly the same power as the PS4 may be possible. Releasing that at around the same time as the PS5 as the final evolution of the PS4 may extend the latter's life by quite some years. Main differences apart from power and games lineup to the Switch: No cartridges, it's digital only. But the Ps4 mobile can install games from discs because the dock will have a disc slot for full compatibility with any other PS4. Also some sideport memory to "store" some  game from disc temporarely a bit in a way like the cartridges do, but with the drawback that to change out this game, one has to connect it again with the dock.

Main problem with such a PS4 mobile: It would probably be more expensive to produce and thus have a higher pricetag than the upcoming PS5 at release.



KBG29 said:

HoangNhatAnh said: 

 And don't tell me it is digital only or it will have the same fate as PSP Go

When somewhere between 60 and 70% of all games being sold are digital in 2019/2020, I highly doubt a digital only Portable PS4 is going to get a lot of backlash. Sure you will have the vocal few on Youtube, Twitter, etc., but your average consumer that already buys digital would love having their entire library available on a PS4 Switch/Portable/Phone. By the mid 2020's physical games will likely be in the 10 - 15% range, and continue to hold that niche space from there on out.

As for the chip. Are you just choosing to ignore the Ryzen Mobile APU line? 

Everything AMD is doing going forward is focused on Performance Per Watt and Scalability. It is more likely than not that Nvidia Mobile (Terga/ARM CPU & Geforce GPU) and AMD Mobile (Ryzen Mobile/X86 CPU & Radeon GPU) will continue in lock step. 

The Western people who always love the best graphic possible on big screen and also physical games. The ones love digital only are mostly the people who only play handheld and that number is big in smartphone with 96% free to play games. The ps4/5 portable will have majority of free to play games or something? 



EricHiggin said:
Rocketjay8 said:

If this is the case than how come there are still new Donkey Kong Country games on Nintendo Consoles if Rare was bought by Microsoft? Even if Sony hypothetically bought the rest of GameFreak, Nintendo can use another studio to make new Pokemon games. Retro did make DK Tropical Freeze (One of the best 2d platformers of all time).

TheBraveGallade said: 

http://toucharcade.com/2016/07/28/who-owns-pokemon-anyway-its-complicated/

You also have to factor in the fact that most of the higher ups are ex nintendo enplotees, and loyalty is a big part of japanese culture. 

For one, ninty will notice and tey to block off such attempt to steal one of thier two lifelines, and even if they DO, they probably could convice everyone important to quit and re-join ninty or set up a new company. Ninty can do that, cause trademark ownership, leaving sony with an empty husk. An empty husk wich cost them probably more than thier on hand cash, which could seriously destablize sony's financial situation.

HoangNhatAnh said:

So how Microsoft purchased Rare but Donkey Kong was still belong to Nintendo? 33% IP Nintendo own are the name and all Pokemon in the series, they also own a part of Creatures Inc and Game Freak. Sony can buy an empty shell with big money amount of for nothing. Meanwhile, Nintendo can hire a new studio for next Pokemon like Retro make new Donkey Kong, a replacement for Rare. If not X3, what chip it will use? Table/Smartphone get upgrade every year, Switch is using a mobile chip. In 2020, X4 can even come out. What price for the chip the ps4/5 portable will use? And don't tell me it is digital only or it will have the same fate as PSP Go

So basically Nin goes ahead and continues to create Pokemon games like usual on either new Nin devices or non PS devices and PS collects 66% of the profits for doing absolutely nothing? That's an even better deal for PS and way less work.

Switch is using a mobile chip you say? Well luckily PS4 is using a mobile chip as well. X4 in 2020 you say? What about Ryzen 9820u SuperTeraFlopaLastaRippa APU in 2020 that has 8hr battery life, all for only $300?

Does that mean that Microsoft gets money from the two Donkey Kong Country games that Rare makes? No, it doesn't because Nintendo owns the name and all of the characters in the series.



HoangNhatAnh said:
EricHiggin said:

So basically Nin goes ahead and continues to create Pokemon games like usual on either new Nin devices or non PS devices and PS collects 66% of the profits for doing absolutely nothing? That's an even better deal for PS and way less work.

Switch is using a mobile chip you say? Well luckily PS4 is using a mobile chip as well. X4 in 2020 you say? What about Ryzen 9820u SuperTeraFlopaLastaRippa APU in 2020 that has 8hr battery life, all for only $300?

When run ps4 games, the battery consumed a lot more electric than typical smartphone games, same case as Switch, good luck with 8 hours only. And even at $300 it is only the chip, the buttons and analogs are free? And Pokemon can't go to PS without Nintendo allow it so nope, Donkey Kong money don't go to Microsoft because they own Rare either. What media format it will use? Disc or cart? Digital only is doa

8 hours only? Switch is only 6 hours tops. How much power does X1 use in Nvidia Shield console format and how much heat does it produce? So $300 is too expensive but $250 is not, because Switch is $300. PS is going to love all that free cash, and would probably use it to create an even better handheld/hybrid. Digital only is DOA, but putting half or two thirds the game on the cart and forcing you to download the rest is totally different and just fine, especially once your lack of internal storage is full and you have to buy expansion storage on top of that?

KBG29 said:

HoangNhatAnh said: 

 And don't tell me it is digital only or it will have the same fate as PSP Go

When somewhere between 60 and 70% of all games being sold are digital in 2019/2020, I highly doubt a digital only Portable PS4 is going to get a lot of backlash. Sure you will have the vocal few on Youtube, Twitter, etc., but your average consumer that already buys digital would love having their entire library available on a PS4 Switch/Portable/Phone. By the mid 2020's physical games will likely be in the 10 - 15% range, and continue to hold that niche space from there on out.

As for the chip. Are you just choosing to ignore the Ryzen Mobile APU line? 

Everything AMD is doing going forward is focused on Performance Per Watt and Scalability. It is more likely than not that Nvidia Mobile (Terga/ARM CPU & Geforce GPU) and AMD Mobile (Ryzen Mobile/X86 CPU & Radeon GPU) will continue in lock step. 

I think they may be color blind to red/orange. They seem to acknowledge the PS4 APU as well as anything Nvidia, in which case both had green color scheme's back then, but now that AMD is red/orange, they don't seem pick up on Ryzen.



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PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

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Rocketjay8 said:
EricHiggin said:

So basically Nin goes ahead and continues to create Pokemon games like usual on either new Nin devices or non PS devices and PS collects 66% of the profits for doing absolutely nothing? That's an even better deal for PS and way less work.

Switch is using a mobile chip you say? Well luckily PS4 is using a mobile chip as well. X4 in 2020 you say? What about Ryzen 9820u SuperTeraFlopaLastaRippa APU in 2020 that has 8hr battery life, all for only $300?

Does that mean that Microsoft gets money from the two Donkey Kong Country games that Rare makes? No, it doesn't because Nintendo owns the name and all of the characters in the series.

Well if MS owns Rare and Rare licenses DKC from Nin, then yes, MS gets all if not a portion of the profits that Rare would keep, and Nin gets whatever their licensing fee is and possibly a percentage of the profits on top, depending on how the deal is arranged. Just because you own the right to something doesn't mean you always gain all profits from it. I have the right to free speech, but I don't profit off of every other person who speaks freely, yet I do 'profit' to some degree.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

RolStoppable said:
EricHiggin said:

Well if MS owns Rare and Rare licenses DKC from Nin, then yes, MS gets all if not a portion of the profits that Rare would keep, and Nin gets whatever their licensing fee is and possibly a percentage of the profits on top, depending on how the deal is arranged. Just because you own the right to something doesn't mean you always gain all profits from it. I have the right to free speech, but I don't profit off of every other person who speaks freely, but I do 'profit' to some degree.

Don't let yourself be fooled. The facts are that Nintendo assigned Retro Studios to make two new Donkey Kong Country games after they had sold their stake in Rare who made the first three Donkey Kong Country games. Microsoft didn't see a single cent from the new DKC games because they had no involvement in any form.

It would work the same way for Pokémon. If GameFreak ended up making a game for PlayStation, it wouldn't be Pokémon because Nintendo holds all the trademarks and wouldn't allow it. Nintendo would assign a different development studio to make new Pokémon games and have the games exclusive to their own platform.

Hence why I said "if". If MS and Rare aren't involved then obviously they wouldn't receive any money, if they were, they would most certainly receive money. Unless the Pokemon games are 100% completely separate in every way from the rest of the Pokemon franchise, which is highly unlikely, Nin would have to pay PS their 66% share overall. Just because Nin has the specific rights to name/names, doesn't mean all profits from that portion all go to Nin if they only hold a third portion of the overall franchise.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

RolStoppable said:
EricHiggin said:

Hence why I said "if". If MS and Rare aren't involved then obviously they wouldn't receive any money, if they were, they would most certainly receive money. Unless the Pokemon games are 100% completely separate in every way from the rest of the Pokemon franchise, which is highly unlikely, Nin would have to pay PS their 66% share overall. Just because Nin has the specific rights to name/names, doesn't mean all profits from that portion all go to Nin if they only hold a third portion of the overall franchise.

Nintendo holding all the trademarks means that Pokémon won't release on PlayStation, because Nintendo would veto such a plan.

You continue to mistake Nintendo's 33% stake in the Pokémon Company as a 33% share in ownership of the IP. Since Nintendo holds 100% of the trademarks, all they have to do is say 'no' to Pokémon on PlayStation and that's the end of it.

I mention this in a prior post, which is fine. Nin says no to Pokemon on PS devices. So either PS uses their majority stake to ruin Pokemon however they decide to do so, screwing over Nin, or Nin can hold onto it and do nothing with it, or they can continue to make Pokemon games and give PS two thirds of the profits for doing absolutely nothing.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

RolStoppable said:
EricHiggin said:

I mention this in a prior post, which is fine. Nin says no to Pokemon on PS devices. So either PS uses their majority stake to ruin Pokemon however they decide to do so, screwing over Nin, or Nin can hold onto it and do nothing with it, or they can continue to make Pokemon games and give PS two thirds of the profits for doing absolutely nothing.

Why would Sony have a majority stake in Pokémon? That's another ultra-unrealistic scenario.

It was started by the fact that another user mentioned what if Switch failed due to a PS portable being on the market, in which case they thought Pokemon would be the solution. Well no Switch means no Pokemon on Switch, and since Switch apparently is going to be the all in one unit and handheld is basically going away, it would mean that Pokemon would have no Nin hardware to launch on and therefore would really have little choice but to end up on PS devices, mainly the portable handheld/hybrid. I also mentioned this entire scenario is unlikely since Switch is doing so well and looks to have some legs at the very least, yet it keeps getting brought up, so.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

RolStoppable said:
EricHiggin said:

It was started by the fact that another user mentioned what if Switch failed due to a PS portable being on the market, in which case they thought Pokemon would be the solution. Well no Switch means no Pokemon on Switch, and since Switch apparently is going to be the all in one unit and handheld is basically going away, it would mean that Pokemon would have no Nin hardware to launch on and therefor would really have little choice but to end up on PS devices, mainly the portable handheld/hybrid. I also mentioned this entire scenario is unlikely since Switch is doing so well and looks to have some legs at the very least, yet it keeps getting brought up, so.

If Switch failed, Switch would still exist and that's where Pokémon would go to. And if it somehow didn't end up on Switch, it would be because Nintendo quickly launched a new handheld-only device that would get it.

If you believe that Pokémon would suddenly appear on PS, then you would have to believe the same for Mario, Zelda etc.

Well it was more like if Switch was crushed by the PS portable and had to give up the hybrid space, almost like Wii U, which was replaced as quickly as possible. There was also mention of another Nin device, which of course would be possible eventually, but the other user doesn't like guessing about the future without using facts that exist now, so since there is no indication of another Nin device, well. Does Nin only own a minority portion of Zelda and Mario? If Nin owns 100%, they can do whatever they want. If they only own a minority, they can only try to work together with the other shareholders, and if those shareholders don't like the stance taken, they are free to sell their shares. Since Pokemon is that important to Nin, I'm sure they would try and purchase enough of those to own a majority, if not all of them, to make sure this wasn't a problem again. Whether they could bid the highest, or if those other shareholders wanted to sell their shares to another company just because, like out of spite, which also does happen due to major disagreements, who knows?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.