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A democrat has finally won in Alabama!

Sweet. Fuck Moore! 36 100.00%
 
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So it's not going to be that gunslinging cowboy eh.



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CrowRSchneider said:
Bandorr said:

I believe both. Although to be fair the more I look into it. It is fascinating.

Almost all definitions seem to use 13 as the cut off.

So what do you call a 30+ year old that sexual assaults 14+ year olds?  You are still considered a sex offender if you touch a 12 year old as much as you would a 14 year old right?

On top of that why does child porn count people over the age of 13?  Why is a 15 year old a "child" for child porn, but not pedophilia.

The legal definitions are so strange.

I wouldn't call it pedophilia because the victims were not childs, and yes, the legal definitions are strange, the "pedophile" term has been misused so much that somebody in his 20's is called a pedophile because he's attracted by teenagers and end in the same category as somebody who molest childrens (I'm not saying that's the case of Moore)

The proper term would be hebephilia (attracted to pubecent children ages 12-14) or ephebophilila (attracted to postbubecent, but young teenagers ages 15 - 19). It's easier for the media to report on the more well known term pedophelia, though.



VGPolyglot said:
betacon said:

Only if you think killing someone on the basis of convenience is equal to a state killing a rapist. I'm still at a lost how anyone would think racism and anti abortion are equal.

I didn't say that racism and anti-abortion are equal, I am hinting that anti-abortion often has sexist tendencies.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have no love for the American rightwing, but I definitely think that that's a rhetoric that is both heavily overgeneralizing and to the detriment of constructive discussion. 

 

The central piece of the abortion discussion is if the child/fetus, in that instance, can or cannot be qualified as a being with similar rights to a human. If you take that as true, then abortion is obviously wrong, if you take that as false, abortion is obviously fine. That's what needs to be discussed. Name-calling is uselessly provocative.



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palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

I didn't say that racism and anti-abortion are equal, I am hinting that anti-abortion often has sexist tendencies.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have no love for the American rightwing, but I definitely think that that's a rhetoric that is both heavily overgeneralizing and to the detriment of constructive discussion. 

 

The central piece of the abortion discussion is if the child/fetus, in that instance, can or cannot be qualified as a being with similar rights to a human. If you take that as true, then abortion is obviously wrong, if you take that as false, abortion is obviously fine. That's what needs to be discussed. Name-calling is uselessly provocative.

He said he supported capital punishment, so obviously killing is fine, so there would have to be other reasons for it. The only one I can think of is sexism.



I've been following it here in England too, glad to see a Democrat win, as best of a bad bunch.

But seriously, your country had become a bit of a laughing stock over here

Trump is seen as an absolute buffoon, he keeps rearranging his state visit because he's scared of mass protests when he visits.



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VGPolyglot said:
palou said:

Now, don't get me wrong, I have no love for the American rightwing, but I definitely think that that's a rhetoric that is both heavily overgeneralizing and to the detriment of constructive discussion. 

 

The central piece of the abortion discussion is if the child/fetus, in that instance, can or cannot be qualified as a being with similar rights to a human. If you take that as true, then abortion is obviously wrong, if you take that as false, abortion is obviously fine. That's what needs to be discussed. Name-calling is uselessly provocative.

He said he supported capital punishment, so obviously killing is fine, so there would have to be other reasons for it. The only one I can think of is sexism.

I think, then, you are not trying hard enough.

 

I could certainly think of several different moral schemes that could lead to that. While I don't personally support death penalty, I do support prison sentences, in some cases, for example. That does not mean that I think that locking people up is generally fine, just as he doesn't necessarily think that killing people is generally fine. It is perfectly reasonable to view actions differently based on context.

 

Also, the correct course of action, when you don't understand something, is to ask the person for insight, not make your own malicious conclusions.



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palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

He said he supported capital punishment, so obviously killing is fine, so there would have to be other reasons for it. The only one I can think of is sexism.

I think, then, you are not trying hard enough.

 

I could certainly think of several different moral schemes that could lead to that. While I don't personally support death penalty, I do support prison sentences, in some cases, for example. That does not mean that I think that locking people up is generally fine, just as he doesn't necessarily think that killing people is generally fine. It is perfectly reasonable to view actions differently based on context.

 

Also, the correct course of action, when you don't understand something, is to ask the person for insight, not make your own malicious conclusions.

Do you support locking people up as a punishment? I don't myself, I support it as a means of rehabilitation and not as punishment. Now, I guess I should have gone about other means of conversing with him, but I assume my conclusion would have rested the same.



sc94597 said:

Don't expect much from this. Moore was really bad as a candidate. That the results were as close as they were shows that Alabama isn't trending blue.

The Republican part has run 2+, high profile, really bad candidates in the last year. 

Defeating bad candidates is important because it shows that the GoP has to run less-bad candidates if they want to win. Even if they have a 20 point home field advantage. 



palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

He said he supported capital punishment, so obviously killing is fine, so there would have to be other reasons for it. The only one I can think of is sexism.

I think, then, you are not trying hard enough.

 

I could certainly think of several different moral schemes that could lead to that. While I don't personally support death penalty, I do support prison sentences, in some cases, for example. That does not mean that I think that locking people up is generally fine, just as he doesn't necessarily think that killing people is generally fine. It is perfectly reasonable to view actions differently based on context.

 

Also, the correct course of action, when you don't understand something, is to ask the person for insight, not make your own malicious conclusions.

I'll try to add on as someone who is anti-abortion and pro-death penalty.

We all in life want to live it out to the fullest. However, murder, rape, and other major crimes to me cause you to reach a point to where you basically lose the right to live, and the fact that I don't want my taxpayer dollars to go help a murderer or rapist. I believe in eye-for-eye, so I don't see it as a contradiction, besides, you cannot tell me you would let a murderer fly off when they may have killed someone close to you.

However, what did the baby do to you? You knowingly did it (DEPENDING on the circumstance, but in this case I am going for most common occurrences) and had plenty of time to either take the pill, wear protection, or just be careful, and yet it just happens because recklessness.  Everyone has a different point where they think life starts. Mine is conception. We were all a bundle of cells at one point, therefore that's where it starts to me. I am perfectly fine with birth control BEFORE conception, but at some point there's a line that's being crossed. The idea that anti-abortion people are sexist is inherently BS. I am in no way wanting to deny women's rights, but at the same time I can't deny the rights of the child in the womb. The child did nothing wrong and should not be killed on the basis of someone else's mistake. 

In summary, people who earned the death penalty have violated the law to the fullest extent where they in a way lose their right to live, but a baby hasn't even seen life, so how can you deny the opportunity for it to live?



Ivant said:
I've been following it here in England too, glad to see a Democrat win, as best of a bad bunch.

But seriously, your country had become a bit of a laughing stock over here

Trump is seen as an absolute buffoon, he keeps rearranging his state visit because he's scared of mass protests when he visits.

Remember when y'all voted to leave the European Union without knowing what that actually meant?

But yeah, Trump embarrasses us too. He was elected without even getting a plurality of votes and he approaching historic unpopularity. 

We're working on it. We appreciate the patience of the rest of the world.