fatslob-:O said:
I realize why Israel are occupying the land that they are ever since the Six-Day War but that does not mean that they should take the lands for themselves since we're supposed to be passed the barbaric age of imperialism and expansionism ...
If the entire international community is going to chide Russia for ascending Crimea for which they themselves have democratically voted for then they should be doing the same if not more so since Israel are trying to claim these Israeli settlements for themselves WITHOUT even the consent of a relevant party ...
FWIW, these Israeli settlements effectively stopped being buffer zones since Israel has decided to build civilian infrastructure and the UN straight up declares such action to be illegal so how about Israel back right off and move back to the previously agreed borders ?
Israel can both have a powerful military WITHOUT being an imperialist such as the US. Did the US try claiming Japan for itself even though the latter was invading the aggressor's territory much like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ?
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Another example would be France who took some territory from Germany after world war 1 (Alsace-Lorraine) and never returned it...
My point being that this issue depends very much on the country and on the history of the land. And even if we agreed to call Israel imperialists (which I do not), there are precedents by countries like France. Even the US can be considered imperialistic when it made war to the American Natives known as Indians to take their land. And I won't even talk about the UK and Northern Ireland...
As for Israel most of the land there was theirs a very long time ago (Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah) The Philistines had a strip of land roughly where the Gaza strip is today but the west bank is historically Jewish. So if you refer to the Israel as made by the UN in 1947 then yeah, you have a bit of a point but if you take into account land that was Jewish before it was palestinian then Israel is only taking back land that is historically speaking, theirs. And beyond that, I guess it will become a matter of opinion. Do they have the right to take back what was theirs or not?
I can understand that you disagree but in exchange you must understand that 1: other countries like France, the US, the UK and probably more have taken land from others that was NEVER theirs to begin with, at least Israel is only taking back what was theirs long ago. 2: The real issue here goes beyond the issue of land. Muslims are absolutely mad about the fact that non muslims live and have a state right in the middle of theirs and I'm talking about all the countries surrounding Israel, so the issue here is not just palestine, but to get rid of people that though with the same historical origin (sons of Abraham) as the other people in that region, have DARED to follow their beliefs instead of becoming muslims. Which is why peace is pretty much impossible cause what palestinians really want is the destruction of Israel which is exactly why I can understand that Israel deals with them in a tough way and not only should take the west bank who historically has been theirs but since the palestinians only wish for their destruction, there will never be peace in that region, until the palestinians are driven out of that land. The logic is clear: if there are no palestinians in the west bank there is no war to be waged with the west bank.
Again I can understand your side of the argument, the "legal" situation made by the UN in 1947. But like I'm explaining, this issue goes beyond what was simply legally decided in 1947.
Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 11 December 2017