irstupid said:
Machiavellian said: Personally, I must say I am interesting in how people that support Trump will dismiss this. I mean they have basically dismiss pretty much everything controversial when it comes to Trump and this is just a new log to go on the fire. So if it was not Russia doing all this hacking an concerted misinformation efforts then who. Also I seem people just dismiss this effort from Russia as saying "oh its just facebook, twitter ads etc". Nothing is more powerful when people do not even know or care when they have been played. Its one of the oldest tricks in the player handbook. |
Well some believe it to be Julian Assange and Wikileaks considering they claim to have hacked the DNC. They also say it was not Russia that helped them do so.
But regardless of who hacked the DNC, I'm more of the opinion that the hacked emails are more important than the hacker. The hacked emails showed the DNC doing bad things and screwing over Sanders for Hillary. That turned many Bernie lovers from voting for Hillary. Doesn't matter who hacked the emails. Russia or wikileaks didn't edit the emails. They just released them.
As for Facebook and other sites putting out false information or biased information or advertising for Trump. Whatever. That stuff was dwarfed by the amount of actual media outlets or Celebrities endorsing Hilary. Be like comparing someone putting up flyers around town and the superbowl ads and then complaining that those flyers around town tricked consumers into buying a crappy product. The amount of people those flyers influenced is dwarfed by the amount of people superbowl ads target.
Lastly. Shut up U.S.
We are the last people in the world that should be bitching about a country trying to influence another's election.
Edit: Also I can't see how Russia could have done anything that we don't do ourselves. The officially supported political ads on tv and the internet are just as bad as anything Russia would put out. It's no wonder people don't vote. Both politicians put out ads that make the other look like a horrible person.
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If you were concerned more about the emails then the hack then you would be supporting everyone getting hacked. In other words you would love to see those correspondence from Trump and the RNC just as much as from Hillary and the DNC. What I have found out is people are only interested in the dirt to support what they believe more than dirty that dispel their beliefs. Its just like the leaks from Trump administration. Dems praise them and Republicans condemn them but sure enough if it was Obama presidency, it would be the other way.
Since it definitely appears that the hacks were directly done against the DNC, and not both parties, I would come to the conclusion that it was a concerted effort to support the other party specifically Trump. That does not mean that Trump had to have anything to do with it, it only mean there was a plan where Trump was considered a better option.
You also forget about the espionage game. Its not about who does what to who, its who is caught doing what to who and how they can shift the blame. Its no doubt that the US does espionage on the same level as Russia and any other government. Just like any government, leaving traces behind that can be traced back to you is a big no no.
The point is not that we could or even wouldn't do it ourselves, the point is that another government decided it was time for them to do it against us. I have no clue if Trump is guilty of not, I only know that because of his dumb mistakes he walked right into this whole collusion thing and thus it needs to follow to the end. I hope we get to the bottom of what happen or get at least a picture into what was going on and the forces that got us here. I am more interested in knowing what happen then who to blame because I am sure no matter who is to blame, there will be many on the chopping block. Whether you care or not, it would be good to know the purpose if it could be found. Nothing is done in a vacuum and for all we know it was a test drive for Russia. It could be something planned for years or it could be a concerted effort to change policy in support for whatever initiative they have going on. The US isn't a Saint and because the US isn't a Saint, just ignoring another nation interference means you just sit back and let it happen not wanting to know the full scope of what's going on or the damage and implications that could be hidden underneath. I personally do not care who gets burned, Obama, Hillary, Trump, GOP, DNC you name it. If they had something to do with it then they all need to burn. I have no side, I pick no winners because I am not invested in any of them. I support no one who will sell us out and I will make no excuses for anyone I supported if they had a hand in it.