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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Jon-Erich said:
Machiavellian said:
I predict a fallout now that Churches have found out that they will be taxed. Trump has lasted through a lot with his base but now he and the Republican are messing with their money. All hell is about to break loose.

It was bound to happen. Trump never was a Christian conservative and never tried to be. In reality, he's a New York Democrat who's into every vice you could imagine maybe with the exception of drinking and doing drugs. He's banged porn stars and supermodels just so he can say he did. In fact, I would argue that his decision to run as a Republican probably came down to a coin toss. As for the Republicans, the religious right sect of the party who helped get Reagan elected are starting to die off. Younger Republicans, or the New Right as many are calling them tend to be not only more libertarian-leaning (though in some cases not libertarian enough to be a Libertarian) but also tend to be far less religious than previous generations of Republicans. Some of them may even be atheists or pagans. This action might hurt the Republicans in the short run but in the long run, the Republicans aren't going to need the religious vote like they used to.

The funny thing about this is you're gonna see a lot of Democrats who have suddenly found Jesus overnight. Apparently, he was hiding behind the stacks of bribe money in the closet. Who would have known. 

I totally agree that Trump was never a Christian or a conservative but he definitely tried to act like he was part of both.  Do not forget all the photo ops he has done with Christian evanglist, meetings showing himself praying with church leaders.  His tweets talking about his support to Christian issues etc.  No, Trump has catered to the group a lot the thing is as many have found with Trump, once he got what he wanted, its time to end the Charade.

A good solid base for Trump is still those Catholic Christian.  They compose a lot of his base in the states he won, losing that base now would not be good.  Effecting that base money definitely would not be good because that is a quick way to lose them.  Also, if Republicans lose that base that would definitely affect them in the house and senate.  

I am sure both parties have found Jesus under the very same stacks of bribe money in the closet.  Just because one group say they are for Christian values, means nothing when they are just as easy to be bribe,  as the other group.  The only difference between one group or the other is who money they are taking.  Big business or Wall street.



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Machiavellian said:
Jon-Erich said:

It was bound to happen. Trump never was a Christian conservative and never tried to be. In reality, he's a New York Democrat who's into every vice you could imagine maybe with the exception of drinking and doing drugs. He's banged porn stars and supermodels just so he can say he did. In fact, I would argue that his decision to run as a Republican probably came down to a coin toss. As for the Republicans, the religious right sect of the party who helped get Reagan elected are starting to die off. Younger Republicans, or the New Right as many are calling them tend to be not only more libertarian-leaning (though in some cases not libertarian enough to be a Libertarian) but also tend to be far less religious than previous generations of Republicans. Some of them may even be atheists or pagans. This action might hurt the Republicans in the short run but in the long run, the Republicans aren't going to need the religious vote like they used to.

The funny thing about this is you're gonna see a lot of Democrats who have suddenly found Jesus overnight. Apparently, he was hiding behind the stacks of bribe money in the closet. Who would have known. 

I totally agree that Trump was never a Christian or a conservative but he definitely tried to act like he was part of both.  Do not forget all the photo ops he has done with Christian evanglist, meetings showing himself praying with church leaders.  His tweets talking about his support to Christian issues etc.  No, Trump has catered to the group a lot the thing is as many have found with Trump, once he got what he wanted, its time to end the Charade.

A good solid base for Trump is still those Catholic Christian.  They compose a lot of his base in the states he won, losing that base now would not be good.  Effecting that base money definitely would not be good because that is a quick way to lose them.  Also, if Republicans lose that base that would definitely affect them in the house and senate.  

I am sure both parties have found Jesus under the very same stacks of bribe money in the closet.  Just because one group say they are for Christian values, means nothing when they are just as easy to be bribe,  as the other group.  The only difference between one group or the other is who money they are taking.  Big business or Wall street.

Whether Trump is a Christian or not, he has done things in office that have been what some Christians have wanted or stood up for Christians more than many other politicians can say.

I don't think most Christians care whether a politician is a Christian or not, but more that the politician doesn't look down upon us or favor another group over us. Too often these days Christians are looked down upon like the white male. Trump has made us feel like once again we are equal to other religions. That just because we may be the majority religion in the U.S. doesn't mean other religions will be getting an "affirmative action" over us.



Economy on a roll,unemployment down(all ethnicities), US and NK in a good spot, I'm still on board the train.



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irstupid said:
Machiavellian said:

I totally agree that Trump was never a Christian or a conservative but he definitely tried to act like he was part of both.  Do not forget all the photo ops he has done with Christian evanglist, meetings showing himself praying with church leaders.  His tweets talking about his support to Christian issues etc.  No, Trump has catered to the group a lot the thing is as many have found with Trump, once he got what he wanted, its time to end the Charade.

A good solid base for Trump is still those Catholic Christian.  They compose a lot of his base in the states he won, losing that base now would not be good.  Effecting that base money definitely would not be good because that is a quick way to lose them.  Also, if Republicans lose that base that would definitely affect them in the house and senate.  

I am sure both parties have found Jesus under the very same stacks of bribe money in the closet.  Just because one group say they are for Christian values, means nothing when they are just as easy to be bribe,  as the other group.  The only difference between one group or the other is who money they are taking.  Big business or Wall street.

Whether Trump is a Christian or not, he has done things in office that have been what some Christians have wanted or stood up for Christians more than many other politicians can say.

I don't think most Christians care whether a politician is a Christian or not, but more that the politician doesn't look down upon us or favor another group over us. Too often these days Christians are looked down upon like the white male. Trump has made us feel like once again we are equal to other religions. That just because we may be the majority religion in the U.S. doesn't mean other religions will be getting an "affirmative action" over us.

The reason Trump has done things for Christians is because he doesn't care about those issues.  When you are a con man like Trump, you are more than happy to give someone something you care nothing about as long as they give you want you want.  Think about it this way.  If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, how can Trump be the person you identify with.  The only way you can do that is to totally ignore how he handled himself during the primaries.  You would have to totally ignore him cheating on all of his wives.  You would have to dismiss all the women allegations against Trump and say they are all lying even if those came before his nominations.  

Evangelical say that they are speed dial with Trump but if so, how did that bit in the new tax code get through.  The reason it got through because Trump needed that Tax cut that directly benefit his business and Congress needed a way to pay for it.  They easily sunk that bit in there because at the end of the day, money is way more powerful to them then spiritual advice or pretending to care.  Trump can easily say, I gave you a Supreme Justice and I throw out a executive order on abortions so give me your money.  I am sure Trump cares little about who is appointed to the SC and a executive order on abortions means nothing to him since he fund that stuff through his own lawyers.

I challenge any Christian to look into Trump pass and see anything that he has ever done that was not motivated by money.  The one true GOD that Trump has always pledge his allegiance to is money and he will sell out any group to get it and make deals to any group as long as it continue to bring money into his coffers.  One thing you probably will never see from Trump even though he has stated he goes to Church, you will see no donations to tides he has ever given in his 70 years on this planet.  

 

 



PwerlvlAmy said:
Economy on a roll,unemployment down(all ethnicities), US and NK in a good spot, I'm still on board the train.

I agree economy is on the roll but then again, the economy was on a roll from the previous administration.  Lets see if this continue with Trump running tariffs against every ally he can find.  unemployment down.  Yep, but then again it was down in the previous administration.  Lets see if this continue if those trusty tariffs have any cause and effect.  NK in a good position.  Not sure exactly what trump did to improve relationships.  At best, Trump is not calling Kim names anymore but they still have their nukes and it appears they get to keep their nukes because there is no plan to denuclearize NK.  So basically nothing changed beside the US removing our troops from the area.  I guess if we wanted to make NK happy we just give them everything they wanted.  

I personally neither love nor hate Trump.  Currently he got a nice tax cut for his business.  Not really sure what else he has done that was positive for myself but its only year 2 so I am patience to see how things goes.



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I’m really glad that Trump is picking a supreme Court justice. If Hillary picked 2 it would be over. America has survived a few years. To be completely honest it’s the only reason I voted for Trump in the general election. That and the way he talked shit to Bush and CNN. It’s brutish but I think it’s funny and it never gets old to see the media eating his breadcrumbs. Trump is a billionaire twitter troll but he believes in our constitution and you couldn’t name one time he has disgraced it in any way. The “travel ban” was just proven bullshit by a 5-4 vote. That’s pathetic and why this seat and the next are so important. All nine need to interpret law, not replace the legislators with activist rulings. That’s not the purpose of the scotus.

This really is a fight between a future of preserving our fundamental law as it stands, or some new progressive lawless structure that legislates from the bench with social justice. 9 robes are not our kings and queens just as the president isn’t. They are one of three independent branches fighting for power. Some little pissant federal judge can’t stop any of the 3 branches. The FBI is not above any of these branches. I still believe in the American system with constitutional rights that are above the 3 branches. We don’t get locked up for political speech. 3/5 of the states together are more powerful than the 3 branches. They can amend the constitution without the president, the courts or Congress. For any of that to matter you have to respect the constitution in the first place though. The progressive left isn’t compatible with our federal system. That’s why they do their own thing. It’s very hard to conquer America from the inside legally. That’s why politicians are slime balls. Shady as dope dealers.



Machiavellian said:
Jon-Erich said:

It was bound to happen. Trump never was a Christian conservative and never tried to be. In reality, he's a New York Democrat who's into every vice you could imagine maybe with the exception of drinking and doing drugs. He's banged porn stars and supermodels just so he can say he did. In fact, I would argue that his decision to run as a Republican probably came down to a coin toss. As for the Republicans, the religious right sect of the party who helped get Reagan elected are starting to die off. Younger Republicans, or the New Right as many are calling them tend to be not only more libertarian-leaning (though in some cases not libertarian enough to be a Libertarian) but also tend to be far less religious than previous generations of Republicans. Some of them may even be atheists or pagans. This action might hurt the Republicans in the short run but in the long run, the Republicans aren't going to need the religious vote like they used to.

The funny thing about this is you're gonna see a lot of Democrats who have suddenly found Jesus overnight. Apparently, he was hiding behind the stacks of bribe money in the closet. Who would have known. 

I totally agree that Trump was never a Christian or a conservative but he definitely tried to act like he was part of both.  Do not forget all the photo ops he has done with Christian evanglist, meetings showing himself praying with church leaders.  His tweets talking about his support to Christian issues etc.  No, Trump has catered to the group a lot the thing is as many have found with Trump, once he got what he wanted, its time to end the Charade.

A good solid base for Trump is still those Catholic Christian.  They compose a lot of his base in the states he won, losing that base now would not be good.  Effecting that base money definitely would not be good because that is a quick way to lose them.  Also, if Republicans lose that base that would definitely affect them in the house and senate.  

I am sure both parties have found Jesus under the very same stacks of bribe money in the closet.  Just because one group say they are for Christian values, means nothing when they are just as easy to be bribe,  as the other group.  The only difference between one group or the other is who money they are taking.  Big business or Wall street.

Don't get me wrong. He'll cater tp the religious crowd for votes. There are those few states in the mid-west that are both very religious and vital to winning elections. All I'm saying is they're becoming less relevant over time, especially since unlike many Republicans in the past, Trump does a better job appealing to voters in areas that normally vote Democrat. 30 years ago, taxing churches would have been unthinkable. 



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Machiavellian said:
irstupid said:

Whether Trump is a Christian or not, he has done things in office that have been what some Christians have wanted or stood up for Christians more than many other politicians can say.

I don't think most Christians care whether a politician is a Christian or not, but more that the politician doesn't look down upon us or favor another group over us. Too often these days Christians are looked down upon like the white male. Trump has made us feel like once again we are equal to other religions. That just because we may be the majority religion in the U.S. doesn't mean other religions will be getting an "affirmative action" over us.

The reason Trump has done things for Christians is because he doesn't care about those issues.  When you are a con man like Trump, you are more than happy to give someone something you care nothing about as long as they give you want you want.  Think about it this way.  If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, how can Trump be the person you identify with.  The only way you can do that is to totally ignore how he handled himself during the primaries.  You would have to totally ignore him cheating on all of his wives.  You would have to dismiss all the women allegations against Trump and say they are all lying even if those came before his nominations.  

Evangelical say that they are speed dial with Trump but if so, how did that bit in the new tax code get through.  The reason it got through because Trump needed that Tax cut that directly benefit his business and Congress needed a way to pay for it.  They easily sunk that bit in there because at the end of the day, money is way more powerful to them then spiritual advice or pretending to care.  Trump can easily say, I gave you a Supreme Justice and I throw out a executive order on abortions so give me your money.  I am sure Trump cares little about who is appointed to the SC and a executive order on abortions means nothing to him since he fund that stuff through his own lawyers.

I challenge any Christian to look into Trump pass and see anything that he has ever done that was not motivated by money.  The one true GOD that Trump has always pledge his allegiance to is money and he will sell out any group to get it and make deals to any group as long as it continue to bring money into his coffers.  One thing you probably will never see from Trump even though he has stated he goes to Church, you will see no donations to tides he has ever given in his 70 years on this planet.  

Let's be honest, the Christian right has tried voting for devout Christians before and it didn't get them what they want.  Now they have an amoral bastard who doesn't care about the long term good of the government or the country and has no reason not to pursue short term gains like pandering to his base. 

Let no one say they aren't getting their money's worth out of those pieces of silver. 



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SpokenTruth said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Economy on a roll,unemployment down(all ethnicities), US and NK in a good spot, I'm still on board the train.

The economy and unemployment are not trains he started.  He's merely riding an 8 year trend and getting credit for the previous 6 years he had no involvement with.  For example:

 

As for NK, Trump should be thanking Xi Jinping for that every day.  This whole thing is a Chinese plan yet most of the US thinks we set it all up.

Love how that always works for whoever is arguing. Depending on what your arguing, it was either due to who is in office now or only because the previous president did it. Anything good during Bush's terms was OBVIOUSLY due to carry over from Clinton and anything bad in Bush's term was 100% his doing. Anything good during Obama's terms were 100% his doing and anything bad during his terms were 100% Bush's carryover. Anything good in Trumps terms were 100% Obama carry over and anything bad is 100% trump doing. Super convenient isn't it.

Love how Obama is touted as these AMAZING figures and recovery rates. Um, we just had the biggest crash since the great depression, no duh everything improved vastly compared to other presidents. When a president goes into office with say a 5% unemployment rate, there is hardly much room for improvement versus a president that goes into office with an unemployment of 12%. If he did nothing but sat on his thumbs all day the unemployment would have naturally improved. Or the figures touting how much he improved GDP, and such. Again, just bringing the GDP from what it was when he entered office to just BELWO NORMAL will give him record improvements.

Edit: Be like watching that reviewer playing the Cuphead tutorial and then giving the controller to someone who isn't incompetent at games and thinking "OMG Obama is the best video gamer in the world" No he is not, he just took the controller away from someone who sucked ass at the game. Not saying Bush sucked ass, just using an example that bringing back the economy from complete garbage is something that would have happened naturally. If Bush had another 8 years in office, the economy would have improved as well with record numbers. As good as Obama's numbers? No one can ever know, but it would have still improved with record numbers, just based on the sole fact it was at such a shit level.

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SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

Love how that always works for whoever is arguing. Depending on what your arguing, it was either due to who is in office now or only because the previous president did it. Anything good during Bush's terms was OBVIOUSLY due to carry over from Clinton and anything bad in Bush's term was 100% his doing. Anything good during Obama's terms were 100% his doing and anything bad during his terms were 100% Bush's carryover. Anything good in Trumps terms were 100% Obama carry over and anything bad is 100% trump doing. Super convenient isn't it.

Love how Obama is touted as these AMAZING figures and recovery rates. Um, we just had the biggest crash since the great depression, no duh everything improved vastly compared to other presidents. When a president goes into office with say a 5% unemployment rate, there is hardly much room for improvement versus a president that goes into office with an unemployment of 12%. If he did nothing but sat on his thumbs all day the unemployment would have naturally improved. Or the figures touting how much he improved GDP, and such. Again, just bringing the GDP from what it was when he entered office to just BELWO NORMAL will give him record improvements.

Your first paragraph makes some bad assumptions about responsibility and credit.  Your second paragraph basically agrees with me.

I never said Obama is responsible and deserves credit.  Especially given economies tend to be the realm of Congress, not the President.  I said it was a trend that began during his term exactly as you also noted. But by your same do "nothing but sat on his thumbs all day the unemployment would have naturally improved" statement, the unemployment rate would have continued to decline regardless of who was in the White House after Nov 2016. It was trending that way anyway.

Not necessarily. Think of it this way.

A NBA team went 0-82 one season and fired their coach. Obama was hired and the team then won 5 games the next year, 10 game the following, ect to a respectable win/loss season. That's great and all, but nothing worth building monuments around the state of him. They want a championship.

That same team continues to do well, but never manages to get past the first round of the playoffs. Still a playoff team and something a state should be happy with, but they want a championship as I said, so they fire him and hire Trump. There are three things that could happen.

1. The team gets worse and no longer makes the playoffs.

2. The team stays stagnant and continues to one and done in playoffs.

3. The team makes it out of the first round making it further and heck maybe even winning it all.

Right now Trump is doing #3. The economy is continue to improve, stocks continue to break records, and unemployment as well seeing record lows.

If Trump was such a disaster why is stuff no going in the opposite direction or jus staying stagnant. Why is stuff improving. It's not like Trump is sitting on his thumbs. He is making decisions and doing things that are getting people like you's panties in huge bunches. But none of those decisions has had a negative impact longterm on our overall GDP growth, unemployment decline, stock rises, ect. For every decision he has made, the stock and stuff may have a knee jerk reaction, but overall stuff has only continued to improve since he has been in office. And we are at record numbers on things. It's not like when Obama started where there was only one place to go and that was up. Most would think that when Trump came into office, the only place to go would be down, since he came into office when stuff was basically already at the top.