bdbdbd said:
Final-Fan said:
But I take issue with the implied claim of ambiguity as a practical matter. It's pointlessly vague to use "America" to mean either North or South America; I have not heard "America" used to mean both N. and S., A.K.A. "the Americas", and you have not provided an example of this usage; and the usage you cite of "America" meaning "the United States and Canada, but not Mexico" is just flat-out wrong.
The only meanings of "America" that seem reasonable to me are "the United States of America" and "the Americas", and I've never heard it used to mean the latter.
To put it another way: the people of the United Mexican States are the people of the states that are united in Mexico. By this logic, if you accept the name "the United States of America" as legitimate, then ipso facto the land the United States of America occupies is "America", and thus you can call Americans Americans as easily as you call Mexicans Mexicans.
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That is how it is politically usually referred. Just like "first world countries" or "third world countries" have the meaning how they were sided politically. Maybe they do it differently in Americas.
Actually, United Mexican States looks like more of a refence to Mexican people. Just like Russian Federation is a reference to it's people (rus).
In any case, when you talk about Mexicans, I take it as you talk about the people of the country, and not the inhabitants of it's capital. You likely refer the people of the country, because this is a common nominator for a larger group of people, just like America.
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If by "it" you mean US+Canada=America, I suspect that may be a matter of people just being ignorant about what is half a world away. I think most Canadians would interpret being called "American" as that the speaker was mentally annexing them into the United States, and very possibly be a bit offended. Speaking as someone from the United States, we draw a sharp distinction between "America" (USA) and "the Americas" (North & South America combined). And I would be extremely surprised to find that someone from, say, Brazil had classified himself as being "from America". Can you find an example of this?
[edit: Wikipedia says: "In some countries of the world (including France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Romania, Greece, and the countries of Latin America), America is considered a continent encompassing the North America and South America subcontinents, as well as Central America." However, this is in their own languages and not in English, which most definitely considers North and South America to be two continents, not just two parts of a single continent (as if speaking of "the North" and "the South" in the American Civil War).
[There is an epic discussion I found in Wikipedia's Style Manual talk section, with a TL;DR at the end.]
Last edited by Final-Fan - on 16 January 2018