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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Errorist76 on 15 January 2018
MrRoops said:
Errorist76 said:

I'm pretty sure I learned more in school about what nationalist, autocratic leaders can do to a country, than anyone in your country. Otherwise you wouldn't be in that situation now. And I'm also sure I learned more about the mass genocide of native Americans, than you did in school. If you can't blame anything on Germans is that they didn't accept and try to learn from their past.

And in case you didn't know. Not all Germans were Nazis.

I find it very telling how ignorant you are by your foolish notion that i'm american.   

Most were anzis, but i'm sure you come from the tiny minority that opposed them.  I hear similar for near all Germans, seems none of you are big about owning up to your nazi ancestors.  


How foolish to even believe that. People were shot on the streets when they opposed them openly. 

Nazis were the NSDAP, the party...not the people. I'm done with you. Not one single word will I ever respond to you. 

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Biggerboat1 on 15 January 2018
MrRoops said:
Errorist76 said:

Are you that sure?! Just wow...Enjoy!

You aren't sure, they don't teach you in school what murderous genocidal psychopath germans have been ?

enjoy your history.

I'm British and have looked on in disbelief at the election win and subsequent antics of trump. I am aware though that the media in this country have firmly set their stall out and capitalise on every opportunity to portray trump and his base as ignorant & mean-spirited. As such I've tried to keep an open mind.

If you are indeed illustrative of his following then I think I can safely close the book on this one.

You come across as nasty and just a flat out bad person.

I hope one day you can re-read these posts of yours and feel the deep shame that they rightly deserve. 



Final-Fan on 16 January 2018
MrRoops said:
Errorist76 said:

Are you that sure?! Just wow...Enjoy!

You aren't sure, they don't teach you in school what murderous genocidal psychopath germans have been ?

enjoy your history.

Hey, I don't know if you're aware, but when there were some people in the way of American "Lebensraum", it didn't go well for them either. 

Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! ... I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians. ... Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.
— Col. John Milton Chivington

P.S.  I'm not saying 1800-1900 America is equal to Nazi Germany.  I'm using that example to get your attention.  The world isn't as black and white as you think, and your own past isn't quite as white as you think.  Metaphorically, I mean. 



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Final-Fan on 16 January 2018
bdbdbd said:
SpokenTruth said:

I did use "American" to reference just the US.  While I recognize that "American" technically covers a couple of entire continents, the official demonym for a citizen of the United States is "American" and I presumed the context of the conversation didn't warrant a distinction from others.

It's sometimes confusing, as in the same sentence you first talk about Africa as a continent of origin, then America, as one country in Americas.

Here's my two cents on the topic:  There is no continent called "America".  You have "North America" and "South America".  Some people like to throw Central America into the mix, though it's not a continent.  Sorta like the Middle East, maybe—but I'm getting off topic. 

Maybe it's not fair that the USA gets "American" all to itself, but that's how things shook out:  we were early, we are big, it's part of our full name, and we've got dibs.  Referring to what belongs to a continent can still be done unambiguously by "North American" or "South American":  e.g. NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement.  I don't recall, off the top of my head, that I've ever heard someone use "American" to refer to "belonging to both North and South America generally"; can you point to an example of this usage?  I'm sort of interested in hearing an example... 



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Final-Fan on 16 January 2018

Fun fact: "Central America" and "Middle America" [edit:  is an example of terms whose meanings are NOT unambiguous]. 

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bdbdbd on 16 January 2018
Final-Fan said:
bdbdbd said:

It's sometimes confusing, as in the same sentence you first talk about Africa as a continent of origin, then America, as one country in Americas.

Here's my two cents on the topic:  There is no continent called "America".  You have "North America" and "South America".  Some people like to throw Central America into the mix, though it's not a continent.  Sorta like the Middle East, maybe—but I'm getting off topic. 

Maybe it's not fair that the USA gets "American" all to itself, but that's how things shook out:  we were early, we are big, it's part of our full name, and we've got dibs.  Referring to what belongs to a continent can still be done unambiguously by "North American" or "South American":  e.g. NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement.  I don't recall, off the top of my head, that I've ever heard someone use "American" to refer to "belonging to both North and South America generally"; can you point to an example of this usage?  I'm sort of interested in hearing an example... 

No, there's no continent called america, just like there's no country called america. "America" is a little unspecific term, and it's meaning depends a lot of the context.

Most often you see "America" refer to USA and Canada. This is the typical political reference. On a larger scale, when you count in Mexico (and maybe Central America), it's usually referred North-America. South-America is referred as South-America. Americas you see referred "Americas", when you talk about both Americas, or sometimes "America", when it's either America in question, but not both.

Individual countries you see being referred by their names: Canada is Canada, USA is USA, Mexico is Mexico, Cuba is Cuba, Brazil is Brazil, and so on.



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Pagan on 16 January 2018

I want to heart the reason why someone supp. him before and now dont and also those who didnt before and now do.



Final-Fan on 16 January 2018
bdbdbd said:
Final-Fan said:

Here's my two cents on the topic:  There is no continent called "America".  You have "North America" and "South America".  Some people like to throw Central America into the mix, though it's not a continent.  Sorta like the Middle East, maybe—but I'm getting off topic. 

Maybe it's not fair that the USA gets "American" all to itself, but that's how things shook out:  we were early, we are big, it's part of our full name, and we've got dibs.  Referring to what belongs to a continent can still be done unambiguously by "North American" or "South American":  e.g. NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement.  I don't recall, off the top of my head, that I've ever heard someone use "American" to refer to "belonging to both North and South America generally"; can you point to an example of this usage?  I'm sort of interested in hearing an example... 

No, there's no continent called america, just like there's no country called america. "America" is a little unspecific term, and it's meaning depends a lot of the context.

Most often you see "America" refer to USA and Canada. This is the typical political reference. On a larger scale, when you count in Mexico (and maybe Central America), it's usually referred North-America. South-America is referred as South-America. Americas you see referred "Americas", when you talk about both Americas, or sometimes "America", when it's either America in question, but not both.

Individual countries you see being referred by their names: Canada is Canada, USA is USA, Mexico is Mexico, Cuba is Cuba, Brazil is Brazil, and so on.

I assume you would then also agree that there is no country called "Finland", only "Republic of Finland" (per Wikipedia). 
Also: 
United States of America
United Mexican States
Republic of Cuba
Federative Republic of Brazil

If, instead of the "United States of America", it had been the "United American States" (like "United Mexican States"), would you have had no problem calling us Americans?  It seems like an odd distinction to draw. 

(Canada seems to be an odd one.  It used to be Dominion of Canada, and to some extent this is still an official name, but mostly the official name seems to be just Canada.  So of all the countries you named, only Canada is the country's official name as far as I can tell.) 



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bdbdbd on 16 January 2018
Final-Fan said:
bdbdbd said:

No, there's no continent called america, just like there's no country called america. "America" is a little unspecific term, and it's meaning depends a lot of the context.

Most often you see "America" refer to USA and Canada. This is the typical political reference. On a larger scale, when you count in Mexico (and maybe Central America), it's usually referred North-America. South-America is referred as South-America. Americas you see referred "Americas", when you talk about both Americas, or sometimes "America", when it's either America in question, but not both.

Individual countries you see being referred by their names: Canada is Canada, USA is USA, Mexico is Mexico, Cuba is Cuba, Brazil is Brazil, and so on.

I assume you would then also agree that there is no country called "Finland", only "Republic of Finland" (per Wikipedia). 
Also: 
United States of America
United Mexican States
Republic of Cuba
Federative Republic of Brazil

If, instead of the "United States of America", it had been the "United American States" (like "United Mexican States"), would you have had no problem calling us Americans?  It seems like an odd distinction to draw. 

(Canada seems to be an odd one.  It used to be Dominion of Canada, and to some extent this is still an official name, but mostly the official name seems to be just Canada.  So of all the countries you named, only Canada is the country's official name as far as I can tell.) 

Formally so - but this is not what I mean. The name of the country has plural and it refers to multiple states on a certain geographic location that are united, this is what makes it different than the Finnish example. It is very similar to European Union, that share the name of the continent where the union is at.

Or, one way to put it: people of United States of America are the people of the states that are united in America. 



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Final-Fan on 16 January 2018
bdbdbd said:

Formally so - but this is not what I mean. The name of the country has plural and it refers to multiple states on a certain geographic location that are united, this is what makes it different than the Finnish example. It is very similar to European Union, that share the name of the continent where the union is at.

Or, one way to put it: people of United States of America are the people of the states that are united in America. 

But I take issue with the implied claim of ambiguity as a practical matter.  It's pointlessly vague to use "America" to mean either North or South America; I have not heard "America" used to mean both N. and S., A.K.A. "the Americas", and you have not provided an example of this usage; and the usage you cite of "America" meaning "the United States and Canada, but not Mexico" is just flat-out wrong. 

The only meanings of "America" that seem reasonable to me are "the United States of America" and "the Americas", and I've never heard it used to mean the latter. 

To put it another way:  the people of the United Mexican States are the people of the states that are united in Mexico.  By this logic, if you accept the name "the United States of America" as legitimate, then ipso facto the land the United States of America occupies is "America", and thus you can call Americans Americans as easily as you call Mexicans Mexicans. 



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