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Forums - Politics - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

 

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
CosmicSex on 15 January 2018
bdbdbd said:
Errorist76 said:

 

That was one incident, a planned event from mostly people not even living in Germany, let alone refugees. You’re brainwashed by your Trump propaganda. You should really compare crime rates, actually every European state’s crime rates (except Poland maybe, singling out Russia) has a much much (like by a factor 4 or so) lower crime, rape and homocide rate than the United States.

By your logic, from our perspective the US looks like quite the shithole as well. A country governed by this lunatic definitely seems to be in deep shit by itself.

Itse does Look like a shithole, but Trump hardly has anything to do with it. 

CosmicSex said:

The millions upon millions I was referring to are the people like Trump family who came here with nothing.  They had opportunity here so they left their home and came here to make a better life and in doing so they drives this country forward.  That is the history of this country.  

 

Everything else you say leads back to the idea that others are more worthy than others.  And that's what lead to this country in the first place.

Why do you think these people should be entitled to come to USA, for example? Do you think they deserve to live in a civil society? Do you think people like you and me deserve to live in a civil society? If said yes to all, we both think alike.

One duty of a government is to protect it's citizens. This is why governments have monopoly on violence. But this protection is done, not only by removing the harmful people from society, also by not letting harmful people to enter the country. If we don't have a way to filter these harmful people, then we have to have an immigration policy so strict, that don't easilly let people in.

Essentially we're talking about the government's duties, and the only people to disagreeing here, are the extremists that want to deny the existence of the government.

If you really want to help people, hou need to help them before they need to leave their homes.

I said they are some of the hardest working educated people I have ever met.

I don't know how to stop you from responding to these people in fear and talks of violence. 

I don't understand why your frame of reference can't postulate that these people are actually helpful to our society so regardless of their reason being here they are more productive than some natural born Americans and they aren't violent.

I think they are entitled to come here because everyone else was entitled to.  Like it is superficial for a nation of immigrants to begrudge a certain race of people like they are doing something different than what everyone else did.

When you are infected with racism, you come up with all sorts of irrational ideas to back up your claims. Now I am not calling you a racist, but that's what they do. 

My experience.with Hatians tells me right away you are speaking out you ass to say we are In 'danger' for having them here.  It's utter nonsense.  Almost cowardice



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Errorist76 on 15 January 2018
CosmicSex said:
bdbdbd said:

Itse does Look like a shithole, but Trump hardly has anything to do with it. 

Why do you think these people should be entitled to come to USA, for example? Do you think they deserve to live in a civil society? Do you think people like you and me deserve to live in a civil society? If said yes to all, we both think alike.

One duty of a government is to protect it's citizens. This is why governments have monopoly on violence. But this protection is done, not only by removing the harmful people from society, also by not letting harmful people to enter the country. If we don't have a way to filter these harmful people, then we have to have an immigration policy so strict, that don't easilly let people in.

Essentially we're talking about the government's duties, and the only people to disagreeing here, are the extremists that want to deny the existence of the government.

If you really want to help people, hou need to help them before they need to leave their homes.

I said they are some of the hardest working educated people I have ever met.

I don't know how to stop you from responding to these people in fear and talks of violence. 

I don't understand why your frame of reference can't postulate that these people are actually helpful to our society so regardless of their reason being here they are more productive than some natural born Americans and they aren't violent.

I think they are entitled to come here because everyone else was entitled to.  Like it is superficial for a nation of immigrants to begrudge a certain race of people like they are doing something different than what everyone else did.

When you are infected with racism, you come up with all sorts of irrational ideas to back up your claims. Now I am not calling you a racist, but that's what they do. 

My experience.with Hatians tells me right away you are speaking out you ass to say we are In 'danger' for having them here.  It's utter nonsense.  Almost cowardice

Exactly...I'm friends with many immigrants...hell I'm even a son of a refugee myself...an eastern German one who came to West-Germany empty handed and without a family. My dad worked his ass off to become what he is today,  as do many immigrant friends I know, from Africa, Arabia, Turkey, Asia, other EU or non EU countries like the UK.. and US.

It's incredibly intolerant and racist to believe someone is a worse person, less intelligent or capable just because he comes from a different country, origin or has been through some shit.



bdbdbd on 15 January 2018
CosmicSex said:
bdbdbd said:

Itse does Look like a shithole, but Trump hardly has anything to do with it. 

Why do you think these people should be entitled to come to USA, for example? Do you think they deserve to live in a civil society? Do you think people like you and me deserve to live in a civil society? If said yes to all, we both think alike.

One duty of a government is to protect it's citizens. This is why governments have monopoly on violence. But this protection is done, not only by removing the harmful people from society, also by not letting harmful people to enter the country. If we don't have a way to filter these harmful people, then we have to have an immigration policy so strict, that don't easilly let people in.

Essentially we're talking about the government's duties, and the only people to disagreeing here, are the extremists that want to deny the existence of the government.

If you really want to help people, hou need to help them before they need to leave their homes.

I said they are some of the hardest working educated people I have ever met.

I don't know how to stop you from responding to these people in fear and talks of violence. 

I don't understand why your frame of reference can't postulate that these people are actually helpful to our society so regardless of their reason being here they are more productive than some natural born Americans and they aren't violent.

I think they are entitled to come here because everyone else was entitled to.  Like it is superficial for a nation of immigrants to begrudge a certain race of people like they are doing something different than what everyone else did.

When you are infected with racism, you come up with all sorts of irrational ideas to back up your claims. Now I am not calling you a racist, but that's what they do. 

My experience.with Hatians tells me right away you are speaking out you ass to say we are In 'danger' for having them here.  It's utter nonsense.  Almost cowardice

I don't think I ever said these people weren't helpful to a society they're living in.

Firstly, I really don't get why it is so hard to understand that if you really want to help people, you need to help them at their country of origin so, that the people don't need to leave their homes. I do understand, that everyone want's the "people that are helpful to their society", but the people who are helpful to their new society, would be helpful to their old society as well. The difference is, that the people that can't leave the shitholes they're living in, could get some help as well.

The government's duty is to protect it's citizens. Because the government have no control over what kind of people leave their countries - for example, ISIS sends terrorists among refugees to west to drive trucks and fly planes - all the options you have left is to try to pick out the ones that aren't a threat to a civil society. This isn't an issue with ethnicity or even religion, as it is an issue with different individuals. There are some instances that wish the collapse of civil society as this would fit their political purposes.

Good point about irrational ideas relating to racism - if you notice, it is you who's making the racial generalisations here. Let's say that some other guy would come here to say that his experience with Haitians is, that they're murderers and rapists, who would be correct, or both? Or would it be correct to say that it is not Haitians in general, but certain individuals, that of some are educated and hard working, whereas some others are murdering rapists.



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bdbdbd on 15 January 2018
SpokenTruth said:
41.7% of all African immigrants since 2009 have a Bachelor's degree or higher. Only 28.1% of native born Americans do.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-12/africa-is-sending-us-its-best-and-brightest


Our president, per usual, has no idea what he is talking about.

I think it's the 58,3% people are worried about.



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bdbdbd on 15 January 2018
SpokenTruth said:
bdbdbd said:

I think it's the 58,3% people are worried about.

The same worry regarding the 71.9% of native born Americans?

Firstly, it's an asinine fear to have and, secondly, a hypocritical one with being equitable to all without a Bachelor's degree.

Well, yes. I wouldn't take them as immigrants either. Especially people who grew up in ghettos or other similar shitholes. By the way, did you refer to all Americans or "Americans" as USAns?

But obviously, it is unfair comparison to compare the most capable people of a continent to general population of another. What would be fair to compare is, say, Kenya and USA or Egypt and Canada or Somalia and Mexico (and so on) and general population to general population, or compare immigrants to immigrants.



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bdbdbd on 15 January 2018
SpokenTruth said:
bdbdbd said:

Well, yes. I wouldn't take them as immigrants either. Especially people who grew up in ghettos or other similar shitholes. By the way, did you refer to all Americans or "Americans" as USAns?

But obviously, it is unfair comparison to compare the most capable people of a continent to general population of another. What would be fair to compare is, say, Kenya and USA or Egypt and Canada or Somalia and Mexico (and so on) and general population to general population, or compare immigrants to immigrants.

I did use "American" to reference just the US.  While I recognize that "American" technically covers a couple of entire continents, the official demonym for a citizen of the United States is "American" and I presumed the context of the conversation didn't warrant a distinction from others.

What would truly be fair is to recognize that the origin of an immigrant to the United States has no bearing on their potential benefit to society.  They all have great people, they all have bad people. To suggest one is more valuable over the other is both appalling and nonsense.

It's sometimes confusing, as in the same sentence you first talk about Africa as a continent of origin, then America, as one country in Americas.

I agree your sentiment there. It's really about the people. But there are still countries that majority of immigrants have no intent to adapt to their new society, with greatly different values, that cause lots of problems and civil unrest.



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jason1637 on 15 January 2018
SpokenTruth said:
41.7% of all African immigrants since 2009 have a Bachelor's degree or higher. Only 28.1% of native born Americans do.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-12/africa-is-sending-us-its-best-and-brightest


Our president, per usual, has no idea what he is talking about.

I disagree. Most part of Africa are shitholes and so is a lot of the United States.



Superman4 on 15 January 2018
jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:
41.7% of all African immigrants since 2009 have a Bachelor's degree or higher. Only 28.1% of native born Americans do.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-12/africa-is-sending-us-its-best-and-brightest


Our president, per usual, has no idea what he is talking about.

I disagree. Most part of Africa are shitholes and so is a lot of the United States.

Add to the fact the Immigrants get scholarships to college that Americans do not. My neighbor who is now a Citizen got her college paid for because while she was illegal. She said it was from same program that helped non citizen immigrants obtain a degree. 



jason1637 on 15 January 2018
SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

I disagree. Most part of Africa are shitholes and so is a lot of the United States.

You disagree with the stats or rebuttal of the characterization?

I disagree that he has no idea what he's talking about. A lot of African country are shitholes but so are lots of cities or towns in the United States.



MrRoops on 15 January 2018
Flilix said:
MrRoops said: 

WTF is wrong with you overly violent nation ? is it modern nazism or islam.

I have no idea where the myth comes from that Europe is so dangerous, but it's still the safest continent in the world.

Germany is the 14th safest country for travelers: https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/

It's also 16th on the global peace index (US is 114th): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

lol myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TB2YTgm1SY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Hsqe6g_4U

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-03/germany-must-come-to-terms-with-refugee-crime

Reality on the ground is different then it was years ago.  Unfortunately mass rapes mass pedophila and skyrocketing crime's is now a western european norm.  Plus the enriching terrorism.